by smitty » Thu Feb 28, 2013 17:56:41
phdave wrote:smitty wrote:141; 117; 96; 79; 104. That was the ERA pluses of the starting rotationof the WFC Phillies.
Hamels was great. Moyer, Myers, Eaton and Blanton not really great.
They did have a pretty badass bullpen which is what I'm predicting for our guys this year.
And they were second in the league in runs scored.
by ReadingPhilly » Thu Feb 28, 2013 17:58:50
by JFLNYC » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:02:45
by smitty » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:06:11
JFLNYC wrote:Why stop there? No reason they can't win multiple MVP awards, too.
by bury me » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:07:59
JFLNYC wrote:Why stop there? No reason they can't win multiple MVP awards, too.
by Wheels Tupay » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:13:16
by Monkeyboy » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:13:19
by smitty » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:16:33
Monkeyboy wrote:I think the biggest decline has been on defense. Those 2008-2010 teams could really catch the ball. There's been a decline in that area and it doesn't look to be much better this year.
by laf837 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:23:11
Monkeyboy wrote:I think the biggest decline has been on defense. Those 2008-2010 teams could really catch the ball. There's been a decline in that area and it doesn't look to be much better this year.
by Grotewold » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:51:28
Barry Jive wrote:I don't get the stuff about our resources, Grote. I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but I don't get that part.
by Wheels Tupay » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:53:35
Grotewold wrote:Barry Jive wrote:I don't get the stuff about our resources, Grote. I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but I don't get that part.
Just saying almost every team has these kinds of problems, which are much easier for max-payroll teams (with strong revenue streams) to overcome. Which is why you almost never read about them giving away productive players
What happens if an Upton underperforms and McCann crumbles and/or two of their young starters regress? The Braves can't spend their way out of that.
Obviously that doesn't give us carte blanche, and if Howard or Lee slips we'll absolutely need guys like Brown and Biddle to step up, but I just think the "it's gonna get ugly in Philly" stuff is wildly irrational.
by Grotewold » Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:58:37
phorever wrote:
2014-15 could have
hamel lee free-agent martin biddle in the rotation
free-agent revere brown starting outfield
howard-olt-rollins-asche-joseph (with galvis as defensive sub and ruf to platoon with howard) in the infield
papelbon-bastard-aumont-horst etc in the pen
quinn and franco and other good guys in the lower levels could be ready to step up after that.
by phdave » Thu Feb 28, 2013 19:08:32
Wheels Tupay wrote:Jesse Biddle is going to win multiple Jesse Biddle Awards too. That's right, he is going to be so good they will rename the Cy Young Award.
68. Cole Hamels will win 1 Cy Young... and 11 Cole Hamels.
by Shore » Thu Feb 28, 2013 21:24:30
phorever wrote:2014-15 could have
hamel lee free-agent martin biddle in the rotation
free-agent revere brown starting outfield
howard-olt-rollins-asche-joseph (with galvis as defensive sub and ruf to platoon with howard) in the infield
papelbon-bastard-aumont-horst etc in the pen
by Barry Jive » Thu Feb 28, 2013 21:40:06
Grotewold wrote:Barry Jive wrote:I don't get the stuff about our resources, Grote. I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but I don't get that part.
Just saying almost every team has these kinds of problems, which are much easier for max-payroll teams (with strong revenue streams) to overcome. Which is why you rarely used to see pundits pleading with them to give away highly productive players
What happens if an Upton underperforms and McCann crumbles and/or two of their young starters regress? The Braves can't spend their way out of that.
Obviously that doesn't give us carte blanche, and if Howard or Lee slips we'll absolutely need guys like Brown and Biddle to step up, but I just think the "it's gonna get ugly in Philly" stuff is wildly irrational.
by Grotewold » Thu Feb 28, 2013 23:21:24
Barry Jive wrote:I thought you were talking about this year. I don't see how this helps us right now.
by Barry Jive » Thu Feb 28, 2013 23:27:41
by Grotewold » Thu Feb 28, 2013 23:30:36
Barry Jive wrote:I must have either confused arguments or missed the beginning of this one. Anyway, the flexibility to add a player mid-season doesn't mean much if you don't have the assets to make it happen. Maybe they will but the guys we'd have the inside track on because of payroll flexibility are guys that will require more than Ruf, Asche and Biddle
by Barry Jive » Thu Feb 28, 2013 23:33:42
by Grotewold » Thu Feb 28, 2013 23:35:10
Barry Jive wrote:I think it's just typical media piling on. If they have a 17-10 April people will be falling over themselves to make them title contenders again
