Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby joe table » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:41:16

LastTrain wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:PAPS has a .5 WAR and -.42 WPA. That doesn't seem good. On the bright side, only Valdes has a better WAR among our reliefers.


The WPA is a little bit par for the course with closers. They enter in games that are almost always won by their team anyway (90+ % even in a 1-run save situation), so their positive WPA never moves all that far. Then they blow a game or two and the negative side moves dramatically.

It's the numbers behind the theory to get the best reliever in the games that are the closest (-1, tie, +1) and keep them out of the +3s even though it's technically a save situation. On the flip side, of course, there's the theory that guys with the closer mentality just don't get the adrenaline to pitch as well in the -1 and tie situations as they do in the +1, +2 or +3 situations.


His WPAs have been pretty consistently solid in other years though. Averaged +3.45 in six seasons as a full-time reliever. So he's picked some poor times to give up his runs this year to date

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby LastTrain » Fri Jul 06, 2012 13:00:09

joe table wrote:
LastTrain wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:PAPS has a .5 WAR and -.42 WPA. That doesn't seem good. On the bright side, only Valdes has a better WAR among our reliefers.


The WPA is a little bit par for the course with closers. They enter in games that are almost always won by their team anyway (90+ % even in a 1-run save situation), so their positive WPA never moves all that far. Then they blow a game or two and the negative side moves dramatically.

It's the numbers behind the theory to get the best reliever in the games that are the closest (-1, tie, +1) and keep them out of the +3s even though it's technically a save situation. On the flip side, of course, there's the theory that guys with the closer mentality just don't get the adrenaline to pitch as well in the -1 and tie situations as they do in the +1, +2 or +3 situations.


His WPAs have been pretty consistently solid in other years though. Averaged +3.45 in six seasons as a full-time reliever. So he's picked some poor times to give up his runs this year to date


I don't know this and haven't looked it up, but I assume it's possible he was used more in non-save situations under a manager different than Charlie. And the Phillies don't win at home much this year, so even those tie games in which he does pitch the top of the 9th or 10th and gets a chance to move the needle just a little farther haven't happened all that often.

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby LongDrive » Fri Jul 06, 2012 14:52:19

Goodbye Luna, hello Howard

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby my cousin mose » Fri Jul 06, 2012 14:52:51

remember we were excited he came up? now? fuck him
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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby LongDrive » Fri Jul 06, 2012 14:56:21

my cousin mose wrote:remember we were excited he came up? now? fuck him



He was a promising cleanup hitter at one time

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby BigEd76 » Fri Jul 06, 2012 15:00:04

The Wrigley slam will be his 15 minutes of fame.

Hey, remember that guy that struck out 3 Barves on 9 pitches? Good times...

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby Soren » Fri Jul 06, 2012 15:28:51

Yim, Headley, Utley, PoPo, Spaz, Chooch, Vic, May-Dingle/Brown/Pierre, P

wishin on a star
Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby Grotewold » Fri Jul 06, 2012 16:32:44

Murphy article saying a Phils playoff-reaching rally would be unprecedented in the Wild Card era, that they need to go 51-27 to even have a shot, and that the Brewers did that last year.

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby Soren » Fri Jul 06, 2012 16:34:26

Yea, they're done.
Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby joe table » Fri Jul 06, 2012 16:35:35

Bernie Brewer isn't walking through that door, friends

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby JUburton » Fri Jul 06, 2012 16:42:05

We'll probably make the 2nd WC and lose 1-0 in the 12th.

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby LongDrive » Fri Jul 06, 2012 21:59:05

They should start eating chicken and drinking beer during the games, it might help.

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Fri Jul 06, 2012 22:08:35

Grotewold wrote:Murphy article saying a Phils playoff-reaching rally would be unprecedented in the Wild Card era, that they need to go 51-27 to even have a shot, and that the Brewers did that last year.

:|



Right now they are close to having the 102 win team back, with a better bench. There is no reason why they couldn't win that many games in the second half...,.....except Ruben forgot about the bullpen besides Poopelbon
I would rather see you lose than win myself

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby CFP » Fri Jul 06, 2012 22:17:36

STATS LLC ‏@STATS_MLB

#Phillies (37-48) are 11 games below .500 for the first time since they were 23-34 on June 6, 2002.


Starting lineup on June 5th (June 6th was an off day)

Rollins
Rolen
Abreu
Burrell
Giambi
Lieberthal
Anderson
Glanville
Wolf

Ricky Bo and Plesac pitched. Who won that day? AJ fucking Burnett. And Luis Castillo had four hits. Kill me. At least Lowell didn't go yard.

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Fri Jul 06, 2012 23:34:39

CFP wrote:
STATS LLC ‏@STATS_MLB

#Phillies (37-48) are 11 games below .500 for the first time since they were 23-34 on June 6, 2002.


Starting lineup on June 5th (June 6th was an off day)

Rollins
Rolen
Abreu
Burrell
Giambi
Lieberthal
Anderson
Glanville
Wolf

Ricky Bo and Plesac pitched. Who won that day? AJ fucking Burnett. And Luis Castillo had four hits. Kill me. At least Lowell didn't go yard.


We'd be in the final year of that 10-year deal. :shock:
Thank God he hated Philly (or perhaps more accurately, Larry Bowa).

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby The Savior » Fri Jul 06, 2012 23:37:00

our success at 3B hasn't been much to write home about during those 10 years tho
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how pissed is he?

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby LongDrive » Fri Jul 06, 2012 23:41:25

The Savior wrote:our success at 3B hasn't been much to write home about during those 10 years tho



Dude! Pedro Feliz

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby The Savior » Sat Jul 07, 2012 00:18:30

missin u
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how pissed is he?

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby CFP » Sat Jul 07, 2012 00:28:51

Amaro basically told Shane to shut the fuck up and play

http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-phila ... m=referral

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Re: Phillies random things: July can only be worse than June

Postby phdave » Sat Jul 07, 2012 00:29:45

I wrote home one time about Abe Nunez.

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