His neice's dad confronted him I believe and he cried while swearing he only touched her leg

was there another victim that came forward tonight?

LongDrive wrote:was there another victim that came forward tonight?

John Smallwood.





Bang.

Barry Jive wrote:the Voxes thread wasn't attacking them, either, as stupid as it was

The only reason I checked that thread was the subject "Vox's" and I was like "Vox's WHAT?"

I'm going to suspect that this came out in part because of the Sandusky and Syracuse stories...I think also because the wife has been gone for a couple years and they wouldn't have to hurt her. It's probably true. And basically whether you like the guy or not, prior, respected his body of work or not, this is all that will be remembered of him. Not that any of that matters. Once your gone your gone.

I feel sorry, as always, for the victims. I thought it was somewhat provocative FTN's comments/queries about wires-loose in the brain and how people get to be the way they are, and not being to control urges and impulses and such...it's only relatively recently in the history of man that we even had age-designations as I'm quite sure many MANY cultures had older men (maybe women too in rare cases) consorting or even marrying effectively children. There was no such thing as a teen-ager until recent times. You were a kid, or a grownup. if you could pro-create you were an adult. Life spans were shorter.

My issues are with the abuse of power. it's one thing to have urges. Its one thing to even feel love feelings in an inappropriate fashion, but you simply CANNOT act on them. You cannot hurt children. (I also feel very strongly about the same stuff in our prison system, with rapes etc...it should not be tolerated and the system should protect every single person who goes inside to do their time) I'm vehemently opposed to abuse of power.

I especially find it disturbing when its people who are supposed "pillars of the community" and reap respect and rewards. Sandusky a cherished coach in a small town and Conlin a Hof journalist...

He may deny it all forever, but it will be tough to dodge multiple people who didn't know each other -- you have to wonder if these were isolated incidents? Did he continue to do it over the years...

And what we really know, is that these guys - that get exposed are the mere tip of a very VERY large ice-berg...

If a 7 year old boy touched a 5 year old girl, not diggin it - needs to be dealt with, but its' not the manipulation of a 35 yr old man and a 10 year old girl/boy...that power manipulation is what is so sinister - and to pleasure yourself at the expense of a child (really anyone) - to essentially connect violence, power and sex together -- its just too much.

I'm no prude. Going after a 23 yr old who hooked up with a 17 year old, meh...gray areas...these laws seem arbitrary...but even in the MOST rare of rare Lolita -like conditions, where some 12-13 year old falls for a 35 year old and its loving, etc... still have to question the power dynamic...

So Conlin is over. He's old and will be shunned. Maybe he lives out his days down there, maybe he tries to move somewhere under an unknown name, maybe his ego tries to keep talking in public and fighting back with words and poorly constructed arguments... who cares.

I just hope that exposing him gives some sense of justice, relief or peace to the victims...

As for the parents who knew and did nothing...its easy to judge that now. People live within their reality. Eduacation, class play a role. Fear of powerful people. Shame. People who have means are more apt to take action. They have top lawyers and get counseling for the child. People who go to chuch and listen to what Father Sweeney told them for 30 years, and who fear being judged, shunned -- remember, the victims are then "marked with a scarlet letter" - so there is that as well. People want it to be over with and move on... prosecuting means publicity and it dragging on and kids facing opposing lawyers...

Sadly, there are false accusations. AND it is NOW well established that people do not remember things accurately at all. Massive distortions exist. but someting like this, the basics -- I was molested, I wasn't molested, seem to be something someone could recall -- especially if it happened more than once. Is fonling as bad as penetration? I guess not...but its a mess...

There are some people who have had their lives ruined by false accusations. A wonderful piano teacher once.

I taught kids in Catholic schools for a few years another lifetime ago and I was SUPER ULTRA careful, to never be alone with kids never have my door shot, when I did yard duty and little 7 year old girls tried to hug me - and came up on me awkardly and hugged me the wrong way - I was super super super careful. Sometimes, the friendly teacher guy becomes the mis-placed victim of uncle-joe's abuse.

And once you are accused, its very very hard to clear your name if you are innocent.

I know its a bad analogy but when it came out about Woody Allen and the step-daughter -- again, not a rape per se, but still offended me. Felt like an abuse of power. A manipulation, and for a guy like that with his respect and fame and dough, why? I just lost interest in his work after that. I've only seen 1-2 of his films since then...

And now, I don't care about Conlin's body of work. I used to enjoy his arrogance at times and his writing style years ago, and his knowledge of the Mack brothers and other old time Phila stuff, now i just don't care. You just can't look past pedophilia...

I try to think about OJ's career on the field and watch the old footage and put myself back to 1973, but its hard. Barry Bonds and 7 MVPs and then what ensued - how they shut him out of a last year or two of padding even more stats...Clemens...

People build up a body of work and then transgress in ways that make it very hard to see that body of work. Obviously, roids or betting on your team isn't in the same conversation with pedophilia...

I'm guessing htere are some other VERY worried figures out there right now - hoping no one comes forward on them...it's a warning to not put people on pedestals and that we really need to cleanse this toxic culture that foments so much of this repressed and distorted behaviors...

A sixth woman comes forward.

Fusilli Jerry wrote:A sixth woman comes forward.

good grief...

Conlin, put a cap in your dome and let's move on ....

oh cool, he was a serial predator.

fantastic

First of all PTK - wtf? If I want to read a book I'll go to the library.

As far as the women coming forward, WIP had the reporter on with Anthony and Glen yesterday. The women were at his wife's funeral, and he mentioned his grandchildren, ages 5 and 7, during her eulogy. These kids are around the same age as the women were when they were abused. The women didn't want him doing the same thing to his grandchildren, so they came forward. Since he'd already abused a niece, it was clear family wasn't off limits.

swishnicholson wrote:

thank god

swishnicholson wrote:

That's "serial" predator, not "cereal."

Yes that's the joke

HELLO YES

Really?

doesn't apply, need to use this though

I get real mixed up about this kind of thing when I read something like this:

LINDA STELLA said that she was just a girl when Bill Conlin pulled her onto his lap and began "flexing his leg muscles" during a family birthday party at his house in South Jersey. She leaped off his lap and looked back. She felt confused when she saw the wet spot at the crotch of his white pants.

"I was a kid, I didn't know what it really was," Stella told the Daily News last night. "It looked like he had peed in his pants."

Stella, who was friends with Conlin's daughter at the time, said that she tried to avoid Conlin after that. But later, the burly former Daily News sports columnist, in two separate incidents, grabbed her by the arm, pulled her into his bedroom, forced her onto his bed and fondled her breasts and genitals, she said.

I don't want to doubt the third paragraph, but the first two are so preposterous I have to

And we have all these documented cases of group hysteria, false accusations, etc.

"I'm leaning heavily toward the he's a pedo camp, but sometimes I get a little wet spot on my pants next to my wiener when I don't shake it thoroughly after a wiz. I call it dick drip. "

- Me in the jury room

After skimming through this thread and thinking about it for 3 seconds, I've come to 4 conclusions:

1) I am leaning towards him not doing it. Unless something else comes out from a more recent time, this stuff is from ages ago. It's pretty unusual for someone to stop a behavior like this since it tends to reinforce itself. I have seen nothing more than flimsy evidence. I'll change my mind if something more recent and/or substantial comes out. I could be completely wrong, but that's my first take.

2) I thought the Hippo campus joke was a neuroscience joke. I was disappointed when I realized it wasn't.

3) Conlin is still an ass.

4) Calvinball's joke was the funniest.

guilty until proven innoncent

well unless a more recent case pops up then it always be left up in the air as this isn't going to trial