CalvinBall wrote:What is sad about four black men driving off a cliff in a Cadillac? They were my friends.

^ this is a good joke.

feel like top-paged on a dumb post is worse than bottom-paged on a good one

Yeah, so Bill Conlin finger blasted his niece (ALLEGEDLY)

FTN wrote:

JUburton wrote: Don't think this is a good time for a 'this is just how some people are wired' PSA. I have no doubt that some people are hardwired this way but there's a difference between acting on it and getting the help you need to control it. It might be different and more difficult for people who can't afford the right kind of treatment but there are no excuses for the Conlins and Sanduskys of the world.

when is the right time? how much money you have doesnt make it easier for you to get help. in fact, id argue that his status makes it much more difficult. how your brain is hard coded, your genetics, influence everything you think and do in life. its applicable now. and every minute of every day

With all the resources that they had they could go to any respectable psychiatrist they wanted with little chance of what they were seeing them for getting out. At the worst it would come out that they were visiting a psychiatrist. Sandusky and Conlin aren't Brad Pitt. They're not going to be on TMZ being caught leaving a shrink's office. Having impulses and urges is intrinsically human. I know some people get the genetic poor lot of it and happen to be attracted to children and there's not much they can do about it without help. Genetics aren’t written in stone. Epigenetics play a large role and with the right treatment/environment/medication I have to think that some of these feelings or urges could be lessened. Two people with exactly the same genome won’t be the exact same person based on epigenetics/gene expression. There will still be little differences.

I do think that in most cases, and especially these two, they had every ability to try to do something about them. Obviously the correct mode of action for the problem at large is to understand that unfortunately, some people are born that way, but if you can’t get half of the country to accept that homosexuality isn’t a choice then good luck getting them to believe that any perverse attraction isn’t a choice.

not surprised DNL glossed over it but why even bring it up? the fuck are you trying to get out of them?

No matter what a stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room. None.

HillMD wrote:No matter what a stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room. None.

show and tell and 100$ says otherwise

HillMD wrote:No matter what a stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room. None.

"Cornbread. . . . .ain't nothin wrong with that!"

The discussion thread of this topic on another forum some of us are familiar with devolved into a discussion of the existence or non-existence of God, vis-a-vis grammatical errors.

If it makes anyone feel better about the general direction the discussion has taken here.

mozartpc27 wrote:The discussion thread of this topic on another forum some of us are familiar with devolved into a discussion of the existence or non-existence of God, vis-a-vis grammatical errors.

If it makes anyone feel better about the general direction the discussion has taken here.

Countdown to atheist bannings...

JFLNYC wrote:True, but he also didn't choose to get help for the last 40 years (at least so far as we know).

Thanks for adding the "at least so far as we know." Because there seems to be an important difference, from what is publicly known, between the Conlin case and the Sandusky case.

Sandusky's alleged assaults took place over a longer period of time and occurred much more recently - as more and more victims step forward, we honestly don't know how recent Sandusky's last assault was. (As horrible as it is to think about this, it could still be going on - my admittedly amateur psychological evaluation of Sandusky is that he must be a sociopath - that is, I think he truly believes he is not doing/has not done anything wrong. His wife apparently being deep denial adds to that.)

By contrast, the allegations against Conlin all date back to the '60s. If there are more recent allegations, then I will be wrong, but if these events are limited to several more than 40 years ago, it would seem that Conlin had some sort of self-reckoning, ie, he reached out for help, he recognized he was sick and managed to get some control over his impulses.

I don't know any of that to be true, of course, but if the assaults really did end in the '60s, that might indicate Conlin at least tried to change his ways.

Barry Jive wrote:not surprised DNL glossed over it but why even bring it up? the #$!&@ are you trying to get out of them?

yeah, and didn't this come out like an hour earlier? not sure what people were expecting there

they occurred in the 70's, to his own niece and friends of his kids

no one will be shocked if more materialize

Woody wrote:they occurred in the 70's, to his own niece and friends of his kids

no one will be shocked if more materialize

Ok, 1970s. Still decades ago. If it all ended then, wouldn't that indicate that some sort of change probably occurred?

Possibly, IF.

But this story just came out like 10 minutes ago so we might want to give it a second before we make any assumptions about anything

Easy on the "other board" commentary. Go there and comment.

stevemc wrote:

HillMD wrote:No matter what a stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room. None.

"Cornbread. . . . .ain't nothin wrong with that!"

If someone steps on your foot at the movies, LET IT SLIDE

GEMINI

YOU'RE GONNA DIE TWICE

can we at least try to not fucking talk about Penn State for a minute

You don't want to spend 20 years in jail because someone smudged your Puma.

If these allegations are true, I would be surprised if more do not materialize unless Conlin received treatment.

STFU ABOUT SANDUSKY