Silence Sarge wrote:Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source explains SF-PHI fight penalties: If Victorino had gone to 1B, then only Ramirez would have been fined, for intentionally hitting.

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source explains: Pitchers only get suspended for throwing near somebody's head or after a warning (Weaver, for example); Ramirez did neither

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source explains: Victorino gets suspended for being very aggressive, pushing past the ump, and then dives into the pile and re-starts.

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source explains: Whiteside was aggressive, but he was viewed trying to defend his pitcher to a certain extent.


How the #$&!

Awesome. Jumping around like a jackass, then leaving the area where your pitcher is standing, so that Ramirez is only being "protected" from Victorino by the umpire, to tackle someone who wasn't even running in aggressively... that's "defending his pitcher"??? Way to go, MLB Front Office.

Why wasn't Shane given credit for "defending his catcher" when he jumped back in to the pile?

In all seriousness, I fully expected Shane to get suspended when I saw the brawl, and probably get the most games of anyone. But that explanation is a cotdamn joke.

And why wasn't Panda at least fined?

The B1G Piece wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/14728/phillies-among-nls-greatest-ever

Must've passed over the desk of Buster TROLLney

that's such an internet trolly way to rank anything.

fuckin a

trying to think of a thread title to continue this nerdy tradition

Napalm wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/14728/phillies-among-nls-greatest-ever

Must've passed over the desk of Buster TROLLney

that's such an internet trolly way to rank anything.

fuckin a

Only reason he did this is because we don't have video game ratings for the Big Red Machine

I hope Victorino gets to explain his side, in person or on the phone, during the appeal.

"okletmetellyouwhathappenedwhenthisRamirezdudewhoIneverheardofbeforedrilledmeinthebackIwasallHEYWTFDUDEthenthecatcherstartedhoppingaroundlikeatinypoodletryingtoacttoughthen..."

Garage Jr's brain will melt, or his head explode, or both.

Ibanez's home/away OPS -- .860/.534

Have I mentioned how AWESOME it is that the Phillies have taken to showing special commercials hawking their standing-room only tickets... presumably because that's all they have left?

I was going to start a topic specifically for this, but was a bit skeptical/superstitious. This post will be based on the (probably wrong) assumption that the rotation will stick to five pitchers and that nothing funky happens to shift anything (i.e. postponements, injuries, etc.) around. Also, I am trying my best to predict the opposing probable pitchers, but since I know our rotation order better than the other scrub teams I am bound to make an error (due to injury, fucking up their rotation order, etc.). Making an error will make half of this pointless, but fun to look at still anyway, at least in my opinion.

The chase for 20 wins:

Roy Halladay: Current Record 15-4

Predicted Starts Remaining (9)

8/14: vs. Washington, opposing pitcher Wang

Halladay's career #s against Washington: 15 Games, 11-1, 2.21 ERA, .975 WHIP
Wang's career #s against Philadelphia: 1 Game, 0-0, 6.00 ERA, 2.33 WHIP (15 batters faced)

8/20: @ Washington, opposing pitcher Wang

Halladay's career #s against Washington: 15 Games, 11-1, 2.21 ERA, .975 WHIP
Wang's career #s against Philadelphia: 1 Game, 0-0, 6.00 ERA, 2.33 WHIP (15 batters faced)

8/26: vs. Florida, opposing pitcher Hensley

Halladay's career #s against Florida: 9 Games, 4-3, 2.47 ERA, .952 WHIP
Hensley's career #s against Philadelphia: 17 Games, 1-1, 2.94 ERA, 1.188 WHIP

8/31: @ Cincinatti, opposing pitcher Leake

Halladay's career #s against Cincinnati: 5 Games, 1-1, 3.03 ERA, 1.397 WHIP
Leake's career #s against Philadelphia: 2 Games, 0-0, 6.91 ERA, 1.256 WHIP

9/5: vs. Barves, opposing pitcher Beachy

Halladay's career #s against Barves: 7 Games, 4-1, 1.78 ERA, .908 WHIP
Beachy's career #s against Phillies: 5 Games, 0-3, 4.50 ERA, 1.625 WHIP

9/10: vs. Milwaukee, opposing pitcher Marcum

Halladay's career #s against Milwuakee: 3 Games, 1-2, 6.41 ERA, 1.424 WHIP
Marcum's career #s against Phillies: 4 Games, 2-0, 2.37 ERA, 1.000 WHIP

9/16: vs. St. Louis, opposing pitcher Garcia

Halladay's career #s against St. Louis: 3 Games, 2-0, 1.23 ERA, .955 WHIP
Garcia's career #s against Philadelphia: 5 Games, 2-1, 1.17 ERA, .913 WHIP

9/21: vs. Washington, opposing pitcher Wang

Halladay's career #s against Washington: 15 Games, 11-1, 2.21 ERA, .975 WHIP
Wang's career #s against Philadelphia: 1 Game, 0-0, 6.00 ERA, 2.33 WHIP (15 batters faced)

9/26: vs. Barves, opposing pitcher Minor

Halladay's career #s against Barves: 7 Games, 4-1, 1.78 ERA, .908 WHIP
Minor's career #s against Philadelphia: 2 Games, 0-1, 7.36 ERA, 3.00 WHIP

Cliff Lee: Current Record 12-7

Predicted Starts Remaining (9)

8/16: vs. Arizona, opposing pitcher Collmenter

Lee's career #s against Arizona: 3 Games, 2-1, 3.43 ERA, .905 WHIP
Collmenter's career #s against Philadelphia: 1 Game, 0-0, 0.00 ERA, 0.000 WHIP (3 batters faced)

8/21: vs. Washington, opposing pitcher Detwiler

Lee's career #s against Washington: 4 Games, 3-1, 2.97 ERA, 1.088 WHIP
Detwiler's career #s against Philadelphia: 5 Games, 0-3, 6.00 ERA, 1.714 WHIP

8/27: vs. Florida, opposing pitcher Sanchez

Lee's career #s against Florida: 4 Games, 2-0, 2.77 ERA, 1.192 WHIP
Sanchez' career #s against Philadelphia: 14 Games, 3-7, 5.67 ERA, 1.607 WHIP

9/1: @ Cincinnati, opposing pitcher Cueto

Lee's career #s against Cincinnati: 9 Games, 5-2, 4.66 ERA, 1.411 WHIP
Cueto's career #s against Philadelphia: 5 Games, 1-2, 5.65 ERA, 1.326 WHIP

9/6: vs. Barves, opposing pitcher Hudson

Lee's career #s against Barves: 6 Games, 1-3, 4.98 ERA, 1.369 WHIP
Hudson's career #s against Philadelphia: 20 Games, 7-7, 3.65 ERA, 1.313 WHIP

9/11: vs. Milwaukee, opposing pitcher Wolf

Lee's career #s against Milwaukee: 2 Games, 0-1, 6.75 ERA, 1.500 WHIP
Wolf's career #s against Philadelphia: 6 Games, 3-2, 4.25 ERA, 1.306 WHIP

9/17: vs. St. Louis, opposing pitcher Jackson

Lee's career #s against St. Louis: 4 Games, 3-1, 1.48 ERA, 1.121 WHIP
Jackson's career #s against Philadelphia: 1 Game, 0-1, 9.00 ERA, 2.000 WHIP

9/22: vs. Washington, opposing pitcher Detwiler

Lee's career #s against Washington: 4 Games, 3-1, 2.97 ERA, 1.088 WHIP
Detwiler's career #s against Philadelphia: 5 Games, 0-3, 6.00 ERA, 1.714 WHIP

9/27: vs. Barves, opposing pitcher Lowe

Lee's career #s against Barves: 6 Games, 1-3, 4.98 ERA, 1.369 WHIP
Lowe's career #s against Philadelphia: 21 Games, 8-6, 3.15 ERA, 1.146 WHIP

Cole Hamels: Current Record 13-6

Predicted Starts Remaining (8)

8/18: vs. Arizona, opposing pitcher Kennedy

Hamel's career #s against Arizona: 6 Games, 3-1, 3.72 ERA, 1.164 WHIP
Kennedy's career #s against Philadelphia: 2 Games, 1-0, 1.06 ERA, .471 WHIP

8/23: vs. New York, opposing pitcher Gee

Hamel's career #s against New York: 16 Games, 3-10, 4.69 ERA, 1.585 WHIP
Gee's career #s against Philadelphia: 2 Games, 1-0, 6.23 ERA, 1.154 WHIP

8/29: @ Cincinnati, opposing pitcher Arroyo

Hamel's career #s against Cincinnati: 8 Games, 7-0, 1.43 ERA, .935 WHIP
Arroyo's career #s against Philadelphia: 9 Games, 1-6, 7.13 ERA, 1.680 WHIP

9/3: @ Florida, opposing pitcher Vazquez

Hamel's career #s against Florida: 18 Games, 6-7, 3.41 ERA, 1.138 WHIP
Vazquez' career #s against Philadelphia: 31 Games, 12-10, 4.42 ERA, 1.312 WHIP

9/8: @ Milwaukee, opposing pitcher Narveson (if healthy, cut finger with scissors which may fuck up things with Milwaukee if his return is out of his current rotation slot)

Hamel's career #s against Milwaukee: 8 Games, 4-2, 3.66 ERA, 1.103 WHIP
Narveson's career #s against Philadelphia: 2 Games, 0-1, 5.40 ERA, 1.543 WHIP

9/13: @ Houston, opposing pitcher Myers

Hamel's career #s against Houston: 8 Games, 3-2, 4.82 ERA, 1.204 WHIP
Myers' career #s against Philadelphia: 2 Games, 1-0, 1.93 ERA, 1.143 WHIP

9/19: vs. St. Louis, opposing pitcher Carpenter

Hamel's career #s against St. Louis: 8 Games, 2-2, 3.00 ERA, 1.000 WHIP
Carpenter's career #s against Philadelphia: 10 Games, 6-2, 4.66 ERA, 1.272 WHIP

9/24: @ New York, opposing pitcher Niese

Hamel's career #s against New York: 16 Games, 3-10, 4.69 ERA, 1.585 WHIP
Niese's career #s against Philadelphia: 7 Games, 3-3, 2.82 ERA, 1.276 WHIP

This took way longer to compile than I foolishly thought it would. I did not do any real analysis, but Doc should be a lock for 20 wins barring a catastrophe and Hamels and Lee will need to be all but perfect to reach the plateau. As greedy as I am, it will still be cool to have a 20 game winner in Philadelphia again!

inspired by the fear thread, here's what I remember about Curt Schilling:

the first ballgame i ever attended, he pitched a complete game. the Phils beat the Dodgers 11-3.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 07170.shtm

another game I attended, when he struck out 16 Yankees. Jeter led off and went 0 for 4 with 4 Ks.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 9010.shtml

pitched poorly in this game, but as was discussed in another thread, the victory was still sweet:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes ... 6080.shtml

I think that 16-strikeout game might have been the most dominant game i've ever seen. he did that in 8 innings. Francona pinch hit for him in the 8th. he was at 124 pitches so it's understandable. It was still disappointing. But it was a really fun game to go sit in the 700 Level for, especially as a 12-year-old. My friend and I jawed with drunk Yankees fans the whole game. It was a good game for that.

I love watching Doc because he's the most dominant pitcher of his era. I love watching Cole because we've had the privilege of seeing him transform from prospect to young talent to WS MVP to ace right before our eyes. I love watching Oswalt because he's got that gunslinger's mentality, trying to blow that rising fastball past flailing hitters. And I love watching Cliff Lee because he's clearly having more fun than any pitcher to previously play the game. He's just out there, playing catch, swinging the lumber, stealing bases, etc. You can't help but get caught up in that enthusiasm as you watch the game.

hilarious quote from a comment on a game article.

The Big Three have all started 24 games:

40-17, 2.62 ERA, 1.032 WHIP, 5.63 K/BB, 1.521 BB/9, 8.569 K/9, 7.15 IP per start, 14 CG, 5 SHO

SIERA

Halladay 2.60
Lee 2.64
Hamels 2.78

FIP

Halladay 2.23
Hamels 2.54
Lee 2.66

xFIP

Halladay 2.62
Lee 2.65
Hamels 2.85

WAR

Halladay 6.1
Hamels 4.9
Lee 4.9

Phillies record when:

Halladay pitches - 20-4
Lee pitches - 15-9
Hamels pitches - 16-8

Collectively - 51-21

Jesus Christ.

The Phillies have won 76 games by the eod on August 9th. For perspective

2007 Phillies won their 76th game on Sept 10th and were 60-54 on Aug 9
2008 Phillies won their 76th game on Sept 2nd and were 63-53 on August 9
2009 Phillies won their 76th game on Sept 2nd and were 61-48 on August 9
2010 Phillies won their 76th game on Sept 2nd and were 62-49 on August 9

holy shit

My first impression of slugsrbad's breakdown up there is that he expects Halladay to see a lot of Wang before the end of the season.

It seems to me very likely that this will wind up being remembered as the best team in franchise history for quite some time.

Assuming, of course, they win the WFS.

mozartpc27 wrote:It seems to me very likely that this will wind up being remembered as the best team in franchise history for quite some time.

Assuming, of course, they win the WFS.

Next year's team might be even better assuming Rollins resigns, Brown over Ibanez in LF and pretty much anyone else at 3B. Full season of Utley and Pence. Hopefully a healthy Blanton. Hard to say what will happen to the bullpen. Worley will regress.

Downside is everyone's a season older too.

lethal wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:It seems to me very likely that this will wind up being remembered as the best team in franchise history for quite some time.

Assuming, of course, they win the WFS.

Next year's team might be even better assuming Rollins resigns, Brown over Ibanez in LF and pretty much anyone else at 3B. Full season of Utley and Pence. Hopefully a healthy Blanton. Hard to say what will happen to the bullpen. Worley will regress.

Downside is everyone's a season older too.

Yeah, they do seem to be in a nice position to make a run at repeating this performance, but you never know with injuries, etc. With only 47 games to go, this current team is a good bet to break the franchise record for wins (27-20 gets it done), and 102+ win seasons don't grow on trees, even for very good teams.

Brown will be part of the deal to bring Wright to Philly, so it will be Mayberry in LF.

JFLNYC wrote:Brown will be part of the deal to bring Wright to Philly, so it will be Mayberry in LF.

I could live with that.

A-Gonz has a .755 OPS against lefties. We gon win.

Chance to go 16-4 over a 20 games in 20 days stretch including a 10 game west coast trip. Amazing. This team is really, really good!