CLIFF LEE HURLING DIMES AT URANUS

Postby joe table » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:01:43

Just realized how much better this is than trading half our Lakewood prospects for 2 years of Greinke. We get a guy who is clearly better and don't touch the farm

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:02:28

Mets are operating off the scrap heap

Heyman talks straight through the commercial break

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Postby mcare89 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:03:20

joe table wrote:Just realized how much better this is than trading half our Lakewood prospects for 2 years of Greinke. We get a guy who is clearly better and don't touch the farm

Especially since we'd have to give Greinke a similar contract in 2 years anyway.

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Postby FTN » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:03:50

the heyman pennies/dimes thing really was beyond amazing.

for anyone that says twitter is dumb, that interchange is what you should cite.

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Postby Soren » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:05:35

My name is Dave Cameron and is the greatest generation really great? I mean defeating the nazis and all but the 100 years war was, well, a hundred years long
Olivia Meadows, your "emotional poltergeist"

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Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:05:52

I think what is neat is that the Phils could still trade Oswalt mid-season if they needed to adjust their roster hitting-wise, or just to collect an awesome prospect or two from some team desperate to make the playoffs that will wind up out of it anyway.

Wow, Cot's already has Cliff Lee's deal under the Phillies. I'm impressed.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:06:21

Anyone talking about what the player's union thinks...

Cliff Lee is a hick from Arkansas

He is a multimillionaire

He probably hates unions more than my avatar

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Postby FTN » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:08:21

I glanced at the thread on Fugees.

And I think this is the single greatest thing about them. They are convinced that in 2 years, the Phillies franchise will just fold when Utley/Howard/Halladay/Rollins are older. They don't consider that we're going to be running a $150M+ payroll for the foreseeable future. And that we have a ton of talent in the pipeline that is 3-4 years out. And that with our huge financial resources, we'll just keep trading for superstars.

They have this notion that we'll wilt and their dynasty will begin. Its funny. I almost want to explain it to them, but the surprise in 3 years will be more fun if we don't tell them now.

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Postby mcare89 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:09:31

FTN wrote:I glanced at the thread on Fugees.

And I think this is the single greatest thing about them. They are convinced that in 2 years, the Phillies franchise will just fold when Utley/Howard/Halladay/Rollins are older. They don't consider that we're going to be running a $150M+ payroll for the foreseeable future. And that we have a ton of talent in the pipeline that is 3-4 years out. And that with our huge financial resources, we'll just keep trading for superstars.

They have this notion that we'll wilt and their dynasty will begin. Its funny. I almost want to explain it to them, but the surprise in 3 years will be more fun if we don't tell them now.

I think the best thing is that it's always 2 years. It's been 2 more years for the last 3 years.

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Postby mcare89 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:13:40

Partial no-trade in the deal.

I guess the one that matches the Utley clause.

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Postby FTN » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:17:26

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... index.html

The Yankees, meanwhile, had pinned their entire offseason on Lee and the assumption that their dollars could lure him to the Bronx. Not since Greg Maddux in 1993 has a highly sought free agent turned them down for a team the player thought was a better fit. In the second half of last season and in the playoffs, New York's biggest need was clearly the lack of another reliable starter, and Lee not only fit that bill but also was a Yankee-killer, so signing him meant not having to face him either.

Lee had undoubtedly deserved this opportunity to be a free agent, both in the literal sense that he had completed enough service time by the rules of the collective bargaining agreement and in the figurative sense that his performance had warranted a seniority of sorts, that he should be able to choose his next baseball home.
In fact, when asked about his future destination shortly after the Rangers lost this year's World Series, Lee said, "Free agency's an earned right, and I have to take advantage of that."
Everyone's interpretation of those words was that Lee was ready to take advantage of the lavish proposals that would soon be sent his way, extracting every dollar he could from the highest bidder. He wasn't moving his family out of their home in Arkansas, so it became easy to deduce that he'd make as much money as he could wherever he could and import it back.

But doing so, as it turned out, sold his decision-making short as, six weeks later, Lee sold himself short, by accepting the smaller offer.
There is no mistaking that Lee's decision will resonate with fans for years to come. He rejected almost of $35 million in order to feel comfortable about where he worked and choose a team where he knows he can compete for the World Series title he's been so close to but not yet won.
Fans clamor all the time for players not to be overcome with greed. Lee, of course, won't be begging any time soon, as the reported deal with the Phillies is for a higher per annum wage than either of his other offers, but the fewer guaranteed years and smaller overall value is no small matter. The sum he left on the proverbial table is many multiples of the lifetime earnings of most fans.

And so while Phillies fans will shower Lee with the devotion granted a conquering hero, they won't be the only ones cheering. Fans everywhere but Texas and New York will applaud him too.

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Postby td11 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:21:28

on page 6 we were talking about matt schaub's gay throws and by page 9 jerz was squealing like a girl (in my head).

what a night
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Postby td11 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:21:56

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: Lee will get $12.5M buyout after 5th year or $27.5M vesting option. Max value of deal $135M for 6 yrs. #Phillies #MLB
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Postby FTN » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:22:22

wow, thats some creativity there

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Postby Eem » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:22:53

Love it. Huge option, but if he earns it, I doubt we'll be mad.

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Postby mcare89 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:23:19

td11 wrote:
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Source: Lee will get $12.5M buyout after 5th year or $27.5M vesting option. Max value of deal $135M for 6 yrs. #Phillies #MLB

Wow. Yeah, that'll do it.

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Postby Eddie Jordan » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:23:37

http://tmacsucks.blogspot.com/2010/07/what-night.html

Whenever I hear "what a night" now I am unfortunately reminded of TMac
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Postby Didn't I? » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:24:09

My mind is just blown, just absolutely blown.

CLIFF LEE

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Postby Eem » Tue Dec 14, 2010 03:25:22

So wait... if the option doesn't vest, Phils gotta buy him out anyway?
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