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by **bleh** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 19:21:55

djbigf wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
djbigf wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:
djbigf wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
djbigf wrote:utley and howard were in the minors way too long.

Both were kinda blocked at the major league level (Thome & Polanco) around the time they shoulda/coulda been up.

utley was blocked b/c Polanco was a stubborn space cadet. howard could've been dealt for players that would've gotten them over the hump but no-trade wouldn't pull the trigger.

You mean Polanco wouldn't play third?

nope. he said as much. it's why he was traded.

He'd played third here since 2002. Citation, or it didn't happen.

you should get a citation for not knowing this.

if it's so well known then post a source. People have always been saying that about Polanco not wanting to play 3rd and it's bullcrap.

by **Barry Jive** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 19:45:44

Utley and Howard were not kept in the minors "way too long." Look at their minor league careers. Utley spent more than a year in AAA but he also skipped AA. Howard played 80 games at AAA. Yeah, maybe they were blocked, but they weren't wasting away down there or anything.

by **philliesphhan** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 00:34:46

I can't believe anyone is even debating a guy who said they should have traded Howard to get us over the hump.

by **djbigf** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 00:55:42

philliesphhan wrote:I can't believe anyone is even debating a guy who said they should have traded Howard to get us over the hump.

i never said that, i'm sick of people trying to posthumously credit wade for the team's current success by making it sound like letting utley and howard languish in the minors was part of some nonexistent plan of his. he was an awful GM, his 8 years w/ the phillies w/ no playoff appearance was a testament to nothing other than monty's loyalty, which was so blind that it bordered on insouciance. "when all else fails, do nothing" pretty much sums up his tenure.

by **Polar Bear Phan** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 01:03:14

djbigf wrote:people trying to posthumously credit wade for the team's current success

RIP Ed Wade :ce:

by **mcare89** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 01:14:27

Polar Bear Phan wrote:
djbigf wrote:people trying to posthumously credit wade for the team's current success

RIP Ed Wade

His tombstone shall read "He traded us Roy Oswalt and then he died."

Or perhaps "Got trade-slapped so hard by Ruben he died."

by **djbigf** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 01:23:34

mcare89 wrote:
Polar Bear Phan wrote:
djbigf wrote:people trying to posthumously credit wade for the team's current success

RIP Ed Wade

His tombstone shall read "He traded us Roy Oswalt and then he died."

Or perhaps "Got trade-slapped so hard by Ruben he died."

he's done a better job turning the astros into our farm system than he ever did w/ the phils farm system while he was here.

by **WheelsFellOff** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 08:56:18

Someone's trying to steal the mantle of 'absolute worst'

by **djbigf** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:00:21

joe torre would be "curious" to rejoin the muts as skipper. talk about bringing his managerial career full-circle...

by **joe table** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:39:28

Twins only 1 GB for best record in AL

by **etched Chaos** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:44:41

djbigf wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
djbigf wrote:utley and howard were in the minors way too long.

Both were kinda blocked at the major league level (Thome & Polanco) around the time they shoulda/coulda been up.

utley was blocked b/c Polanco was a stubborn space cadet. howard could've been dealt for players that would've gotten them over the hump but no-trade wouldn't pull the trigger.

Seriously? You believe this?

by **phorever** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:47:34

mozartpc27 wrote:^Utley certainly was, should have been on the big club in 2004, maybe even late 2003. Howard I think couldn't have been plausibly brought up much before the opening of 2005. As it was, he became the regular first baseman by August of that year.

for me the utley story isn't complete without pointing out that his development very likely was delayed by at least a year by the ill-advised attempt to convert him to 3b as part of the game of chicken being played with rolen.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:54:19

phorever wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:^Utley certainly was, should have been on the big club in 2004, maybe even late 2003. Howard I think couldn't have been plausibly brought up much before the opening of 2005. As it was, he became the regular first baseman by August of that year.

for me the utley story isn't complete without pointing out that his development very likely was delayed by at least a year by the ill-advised attempt to convert him to 3b as part of the game of chicken being played with rolen.

Oh... I forgot about that, if I ever even knew it. Actually, I don't remember that at all... not that i doubt you, it obviously just changes my thinking. Somewhat.

by **SK790** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 09:56:49

djbigf wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:I can't believe anyone is even debating a guy who said they should have traded Howard to get us over the hump.

i never said that, i'm sick of people trying to posthumously credit wade for the team's current success by making it sound like letting utley and howard languish in the minors was part of some nonexistent plan of his. he was an awful GM, his 8 years w/ the phillies w/ no playoff appearance was a testament to nothing other than monty's loyalty, which was so blind that it bordered on insouciance. "when all else fails, do nothing" pretty much sums up his tenure.

djbigf wrote:howard could've been dealt for players that would've gotten them over the hump but no-trade wouldn't pull the trigger.

djbigf wrote: howard could've been dealt for players that would've gotten them over the hump but no-trade wouldn't pull the trigger.

by **phorever** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:00:26

djbigf wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
djbigf wrote:utley and howard were in the minors way too long.

Both were kinda blocked at the major league level (Thome & Polanco) around the time they shoulda/coulda been up.

utley was blocked b/c Polanco was a stubborn space cadet. howard could've been dealt for players that would've gotten them over the hump but no-trade wouldn't pull the trigger.

i'm with the others here.
i'll completely on board with giving wade more blame than credit, but i think your polanco argument is way off base. ironically, i find that the way the bell-polanco situation was handled is part of the argument that wade deserves blame rather than credit. not only did the phils under his management delay utley by a year by trying to move him to 3b while negotiating with rolen, but they also compounded the error by failing to see that they would have been better off dumping sunk-cost bell and playing polanco and utley. but bell was a proud wade fa acquisition, so that couldn't be done. wade and phillies pravda excused themselves by making their usual unfair use of polanco's perfectly normal honest answers to question of what base he prefered, and whether he preferred staying put over moving around. they twisted every word coming out of players mouths for such purposes in those days.

by **Grotewold** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 14:27:49

Buster Olney wrote:Granderson's strong finish probably makes it unlikely that the Yankees will be in the Carl Crawford/Jayson Werth market

by **Soren** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 14:29:25

They still have absolute slop on the corners, that makes no fucking sense.

by **lethal** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 15:36:36

Soren wrote:They still have absolute slop on the corners, that makes no $#@! sense.

They like Gardner and Swisher is useful. They have to keep DH open so Posada and the other old guys can play there occasionally.

by **Soren** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 15:40:46

Gardner isn't a fulltime LFer really though. You honestly think they wouldn't prefer Swish, Granderson, WERTZ over Gardner, Granderson, Swish?

by **lethal** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 18:04:25

Soren wrote:Gardner isn't a fulltime LFer really though. You honestly think they wouldn't prefer Swish, Granderson, WERTZ over Gardner, Granderson, Swish?

Well, they'd probably prefer Crawford over Werth in either case, but I think they want to have some sort of payroll budget, especially since they'll offer Cliff Lee a shit ton of money too.

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