Honestly, and I might feel different after Kendrick gets shelled tomorrow, but I'm quite happy Myers isn't on this team anymore.

swishnicholson wrote:You shut your mouth.

i think this was an appropriate reaction to that joke

Hamels is pretty goooooood

jerseyhoya wrote:I'm quite happy Myers isn't on this team anymore.

Pretty much.

Dannys Baez's ERA was 8.10 on 5/2. Now it's 4.91 (10 appearances).
2 wins and 2 holds in that span. In only one of the 10 appearances did he give up an earned run.

TheDude24 wrote:Dannys Baez's ERA was 8.10 on 5/2. Now it's 4.91 (10 appearances).
2 wins and 2 holds in that span. In only one of the 10 appearances did he give up an earned run.

ERA of 0.91 -- OPS against is .607.

Phillies pitching has been awesome in May -- 2.77; bullpen ERA -- 2.13.

Phillies record when scoring 6 + runs -- 17-1. The best thing about that is they've scored 6 + runs 18 times already.

When scoring 5 or less of course, they aren't so hot -- only 9-14. But they are getting really good pitching now so that record should improve.

I'm thinking they may start scoring less but also keep winning as their pitching keeps going pretty well.

So I didn't want to start a new thread - not sure the best thread --

Roy Oswalt -- ????

Where do we stand on this guy? 15mil this year 16mil next and a club option for the following year. Does cost alone preclude its possibility for Phila.?

If not -- what kind of package would be needed to get it done? Would it HAVE to include Dom Brown or not?

Would it too - raise the question of letting Lee go? Obviously if you include any of the prospects in the Lee deal. And Lee was cheaper this year.

Let's say that Moyer stays healthy and manages to be Moyer most of the summer -- ends up 13-9 or something. He's still not a guy you are starting in a WS game. No one believes in Kendrick really. Happ is unknown and even last year a lot of people felt he had a lot of "luck" helping his #'s. Blanton when he's in a nice groove is solid. But they got Pedro for a reason.

If we need a "Pedro-like move" again this year to really compete for another WFC, don't we have to look at some blue-chip high-pedigree starters?

Oswalt and Berkman are asking to get out.

Is there any historical precedent for a player with a large large contract, re-negotiating in some way to favor the club to facilitate a deal happening? What if he went down to 12mil a year but they added an extra year? Do guys want to win bad enough to actually reneg for a lower pay day? Would he rather make 15mil in Houston or 12mil NY or 11mil in Phila? to be in a pennant race, playoffs, etc??

Right now, the Phils are getting by with their 3-4-5 pitchers -- managing through injury -- Lidge and Madson on DL, its really a miracle. Solid pitching and this club probably has about another 4-5 wins, despite it all, they are still in first and looking poised to stay there. I know that there is no gun to Smuggy's head but I'd really like to know what they are thinking? And if they really would go in to a final month of season with the guys we have now ... ??

I like the "keep winning" part

the idea that i would contemplate trading Brown or anything better than a C- prospect for the right to pay Oswalt $30 million is somewhere between hilarious and insane

Trent Steele wrote:the idea that i would contemplate trading Brown or anything better than a C- prospect for the right to pay Oswalt $30 million is somewhere between hilarious and insane

It's Ed Wade. Figueroa+old, fat, white middle reliever+low-level prospect seals the deal.

I would say our chances to get him are low but we could flaunt Baez in front of Wade and I think we are on to something.

Philly the Kid wrote:So I didn't want to start a new thread - not sure the best thread --

Roy Oswalt -- ????

Where do we stand on this guy? 15mil this year 16mil next and a club option for the following year. Does cost alone preclude its possibility for Phila.?

If not -- what kind of package would be needed to get it done? Would it HAVE to include Dom Brown or not?

Would it too - raise the question of letting Lee go? Obviously if you include any of the prospects in the Lee deal. And Lee was cheaper this year.

Let's say that Moyer stays healthy and manages to be Moyer most of the summer -- ends up 13-9 or something. He's still not a guy you are starting in a WS game. No one believes in Kendrick really. Happ is unknown and even last year a lot of people felt he had a lot of "luck" helping his #'s. Blanton when he's in a nice groove is solid. But they got Pedro for a reason.

If we need a "Pedro-like move" again this year to really compete for another WFC, don't we have to look at some blue-chip high-pedigree starters?

Oswalt and Berkman are asking to get out.

Is there any historical precedent for a player with a large large contract, re-negotiating in some way to favor the club to facilitate a deal happening? What if he went down to 12mil a year but they added an extra year? Do guys want to win bad enough to actually reneg for a lower pay day? Would he rather make 15mil in Houston or 12mil NY or 11mil in Phila? to be in a pennant race, playoffs, etc??

Right now, the Phils are getting by with their 3-4-5 pitchers -- managing through injury -- Lidge and Madson on DL, its really a miracle. Solid pitching and this club probably has about another 4-5 wins, despite it all, they are still in first and looking poised to stay there. I know that there is no gun to Smuggy's head but I'd really like to know what they are thinking? And if they really would go in to a final month of season with the guys we have now ... ??

I don't think the Phillies have the money to land Oswalt, but then I don't think the Astros have the leverage to expect much for him other than salary relief unless they are willing to pick up a bunch of Oswalt's contract. In that case, they can demand better players, but the Phillies' system is a little dry for that, so I don't think it's doable that way either for the Phils.

Lee is ironically more affordable money-wise than Oswalt, but will thus cost even more in prospects, which the Phillies don't really have (and which they traded Lee to address in the first place).

Brett Myers is more desirable because of price, less so because of previous history. I assume Myers would cost a little more than Oswalt in prospect terms, rather than a little less, because of his cheapness in terms of salary this year.

Looks like its Pedro Martinez, inconsequential middle reliever, or bust for the Phils at the deadline.

I don't suppose Berkman can play the outfield? The Phils could offer Werth for Oswalt and Berkman. The Astros get either their future rightfielder or an expiring contract and a couple of picks, however they choose to play it, plus some tremendous salary relief, and the Phillies get one of your better career switch hitters and a starter to boot.

Relax, I'm kidding. Though if the Phils could move Werth at the deadline for something significant if they haven't re-signed him by then, it might be worth trying. Werth for Lee, anyone? Seattle needs some offense, and Werth seems like a left coast kind of guy...

(Not happening, I know, and I am horrifying a lot of you)

Likelihood of becoming Phillies, from most to least:

1. Pedro
2. Cliff
3. Patton
4. Mike

They need a bullpen lefty. If Happ comes back healthy, they have no use for Pedro. If they can tread water with Wumpus-Baez-Durbz-Herndon-Romero in the meantime, getting Lidge and Madson back will be big adds. But they clearly can't trust JC as an high-leverage LOOGY, so they're going to need to get someone they can (even if it's a fringy reclamation type like Scott Eyre was).

I know sometimes it blows putting your hopes in Moyer or Kendrick, but face it, they're both better than the average #5 starter. Adding another rotation piece would be a misallocation of emergency funds that could otherwise be used if someone goes down for the season or, like I said, for a more pressing need like an 8th-inning lefty.

In that vein, unless you're getting Oswalt for peanuts, he's too expensive. And if there are other buyers, there's no chance.

Just need the Pads to be out of it by mid-July so we can go after Bell

Barry Jive wrote:I know sometimes it blows putting your hopes in Moyer or Kendrick, but face it, they're both better than the average #5 starter.

they're not

/trent et al (incl me)


maybe as good as

smitty wrote:

TheDude24 wrote:Dannys Baez's ERA was 8.10 on 5/2. Now it's 4.91 (10 appearances).
2 wins and 2 holds in that span. In only one of the 10 appearances did he give up an earned run.

ERA of 0.91 -- OPS against is .607.

Phillies pitching has been awesome in May -- 2.77; bullpen ERA -- 2.13.

Phillies record when scoring 6 + runs -- 17-1. The best thing about that is they've scored 6 + runs 18 times already.

When scoring 5 or less of course, they aren't so hot -- only 9-14. But they are getting really good pitching now so that record should improve.

I'm thinking they may start scoring less but also keep winning as their pitching keeps going pretty well.

4/3 K/BB ratio in that span. 2 or more baserunners in 5 of those appearances. He's been lucky. Dude sucks.

ek wrote:I don't think contreras can make it the whole year as a regular closer. he's a better setup guy

I don't even know what that means... his type of pitches work better in 8th innings than in 9th?

CFP wrote:Just need the Pads to be out of it by mid-July so we can go after Bell

That douche baseball collector sponsors his baseball-reference page, it seems.

ek wrote:the phils will go after a closer at the deadline as the #1 priority if lidge isn't healthy. starter is secondary to them. I don't think contreras can make it the whole year as a regular closer. he's a better setup guy

If Heath Bell or anyone good is available, it will be the same problem as Lee: they can maybe afford the dollars, but not the prospects.