Moyer is 5-2. That's amazing. I know W-L isn't a great way to measure a pitcher's performance, but still.

Dare I ask about Hap

TenuredVulture wrote:Moyer is 5-2. That's amazing. I know W-L isn't a great way to measure a pitcher's performance, but still.

He's on pace for 20+ wins.

Jamie Moyer is getting 6 runs a game in support. Cole Hamels is getting just over 3.

Soren wrote:Jamie Moyer is getting 6 runs a game in support. Cole Hamels is getting just over 3.

COLE IS NOT A WINER

phatj wrote:

Soren wrote:Jamie Moyer is getting 6 runs a game in support. Cole Hamels is getting just over 3.

COLE IS NOT A WINER

COaEL IS A WEINER

KOAL IS A WINO

I'm worried about the blow though

BigEd76 wrote:Anyone tried this stuff?



They also have Wrigley, Fenway, Busch and Great American....

I had to convince my wife that it probably wasnt worth paying extra for.

Werthless wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Anyone tried this stuff?



They also have Wrigley, Fenway, Busch and Great American....

I had to convince my wife that it probably wasnt worth paying extra for.

Buying the same products used in the ball park makes no sense for a typical homeowner. The grass on the field is suitable for very specific conditions--plenty of sun, no roots or weeds, perfectly regulated water, perfectly drained soil, soil exactly suitable for the grass in question, a predictable amount of wear and tear, and a crew of people who do nothing other than maintain it.

TenuredVulture wrote:

Werthless wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Anyone tried this stuff?



They also have Wrigley, Fenway, Busch and Great American....

I had to convince my wife that it probably wasnt worth paying extra for.

Buying the same products used in the ball park makes no sense for a typical homeowner. The grass on the field is suitable for very specific conditions--plenty of sun, no roots or weeds, perfectly regulated water, perfectly drained soil, soil exactly suitable for the grass in question, a predictable amount of wear and tear, and a crew of people who do nothing other than maintain it.

i met two of the groundskeepers last saturday. they both had their 2008 world series rings on. they were pretty nice. not the ones the players got, obviously.

phatj wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Moyer is 5-2. That's amazing. I know W-L isn't a great way to measure a pitcher's performance, but still.

He's on pace for 20+ wins.

More impressive is his 1.103 WHIP and his 2.88 K/BB ratio, the latter of which is good for third best in his career if his season ends today. My dream of a return of Pedro is fading away...

mozartpc27 wrote:

phatj wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Moyer is 5-2. That's amazing. I know W-L isn't a great way to measure a pitcher's performance, but still.

He's on pace for 20+ wins.

More impressive is his 1.103 WHIP and his 2.88 K/BB ratio, the latter of which is good for third best in his career if his season ends today. My dream of a return of Pedro is fading away...

I wonder if Pedro would like to try his hand at closing?

WheelsFellOff wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:

phatj wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Moyer is 5-2. That's amazing. I know W-L isn't a great way to measure a pitcher's performance, but still.

He's on pace for 20+ wins.

More impressive is his 1.103 WHIP and his 2.88 K/BB ratio, the latter of which is good for third best in his career if his season ends today. My dream of a return of Pedro is fading away...

I wonder if Pedro would like to try his hand at closing?

Given Lidge's struggles this idea was tossed around here quite a bit last season. I don't know if there was a consensus but one huge strike against this notion is that historically Pedro has been at his poorest in the first inning of his starts.

I'll be honest...that was a bit of a troll. Just a little bored at work and wanted to see some fireworks now that the Islam/Christianity/Atheism thread is locked.

Pedro's Muslim?

If not he could prob be talked into it real easy

phatj wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Moyer is 5-2. That's amazing. I know W-L isn't a great way to measure a pitcher's performance, but still.

He's on pace for 20+ wins.

He joined the club in mid-2006 so in around 4 seasons he's got a W/L record of 52-33.

I know run support is important and all of that jive but this guy has won a lot of games in four seasons and there's value there. He's been valuable this season so far. He was never a great pitcher and now he might not even be all that good. But to win a lot of games over a pretty long stretch of time is a good thing.

He's not nearly a Halladay and he's not as good as Hamels or Blanton. But somehow, he wins a lot of games. And that doesn't hurt you when your trying to win a division and stuff. When you try to name pitchers that win 52 games in less than four season you run out of names pretty fast.

I'm not over rating wins here. I understand the flaws in W/L record. But winning a lot of games is a good thing. And Moyer deserves some credit for it.

He was really, really good in 2008.
He was really, really bad last year (they were 15-15 in his starts).
He's been really good against the Braves this year (13 IP, 0 ER)
He's been really bad against everyone else. (6 IP, 5 Runs in 4 of his 5 other starts; 6 IP, 4 runs in the others).
He hasn't had one of those ERA killer starts yet this year. He will have several in interleague play.
He's fine for a 5th starter.
He gets paid like a 3rd starter.
I like him.
I want him to go away forever after this year.
I predict that by mid-June he ERA will be above 6 and everyone will hate him again.

I like Moyer. He's a pretty damn good #5 pitcher, or a decent #4. He's also really easy to root for. It's pretty incredible that a 47-year-old could through a 2-hit complete game shutout and be on pace for over 20 wins. But it's just a statistical oddity; I'm not attaching any real meaning to the wins.

It's true, it is possible to glean meaning from W-L record, especially over a long career. But it's among the least efficient numbers available for that, so why bother?

I think most of us like Moyer, but hate his contract...