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by **kruker** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:40:52

"We know that if Pat is no longer with us there will be a need, probably. Or at least something we would like to improve on, honestly," Amaro said.

Probably? Honestly?

by 1 » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:41:49

There were other clubs, including the Phillies, who were interested in Orr's services, but Corosky said the Nationals were aggressive in re-signing Orr.

by **FTN** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:42:52

really.

and if Juan Rivera is healthy, I'd take him on the cheap, assuming we can't sign Manny or a legit everyday OF. Rivera can hit LHP, always has, and is a decent enough outfielder defensively. Stairs should play against every RHP, and then Rivera against every LHP.

He'll probably take a 1 year deal, a cheap deal.

by **CalvinBall** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:45:21

Olney saying Yankees made an offer to CC in the 140 mil range. In the same blog post he says that he thinks Manny will go to the Nationals.

by **Woody** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:46:13

Manny to the Nationals would be hysterical

by **lethal** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:50:24

Phight On! wrote:A team that finishes with a top 15 pick in the draft wouldn't have to give up anything to sign Moyer or did that change? For example we didn't get the Giants' first round pick for Rowand last year. I know we were awarded a sandwich round pick but I don't remember the Giants giving us anything (unless maybe it was a 2nd or 3rd rounder).

I can see Moyer going home to Seattle throwing his batting practice fastball and changeup for the next 10-15 years. I mean if Ramon Henderson can do it, why can't Jaime?

2nd round pick. It was the Gose pick this year.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:50:30

Nation's Capitol

by **CFP** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:51:10

How did Darren Oliver become a Type A again?

by **karn** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:57:15

The Phillies have three lists: OF, SP and RP

Manny is at the top of OF, Burnett is at the top of SP and Hoffman is the top RP. Are they likely to get any of those three? No, but none are out of the realm of possibility. Hoffman wants a shot at a ring. Burnett has close affection for Dubee and Manny likes the park, the manager and the team.

There is no Baldelli on the OF list. They want an everyday player. He can't do that.

Two to watch out for: Melvin Mora and Aubrey Huff. Big years, both with corner OF ability could become trade targets for Amaro. The market after Manny is thin to meet their needs. They are not in on Abreu, Burrell or Dunn

Pitcher to watch out for: Mike Mussina, who is not as likely to retire as Girardi seems to think. He'll play for a 1-year deal with either New York, Boston or Philly

by **Woody** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:58:26

I have a feeling that karn's reports will likely prove more accurate than anything actually reported by real reporters on reporting websites

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:05:21

FTN wrote:really.

and if Juan Rivera is healthy, I'd take him on the cheap, assuming we can't sign Manny or a legit everyday OF. Rivera can hit LHP, always has, and is a decent enough outfielder defensively. Stairs should play against every RHP, and then Rivera against every LHP.

He'll probably take a 1 year deal, a cheap deal.

Agreed. It's not Plan A or probably even Plan B. But if they have no better alternatives, it's not a horrible way to start the season while looking around for the right deal as the season goes on.

The thing that concerns me most about letting Burrell walk (assuming Manny isn't his replacement) is just that: His walks. With the exception of Howard (and his BB rate went down in 2008) and Werth (to some extent), there really aren't any other high BB rate guys in the lineup. And if Dobbs and/or Jenkins see any significant playing time in LF, that sure isn't going to change. Rivera's got a no-walk policy, too. Granted Utley makes up for a mediocre BB rate by getting HBP, but the low BB rate overall concerns me.

by **stevemc** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:07:48

Thanks karn but don't you see a conflict between:

"There is no Baldelli on the OF list. They want an everyday player. He can't do that. "

and:

"Two to watch out for: Melvin Mora and Aubrey Huff. Big years, both with corner OF ability could become trade targets for Amaro. "

How is Huff an everyday player and why him especially considering the amount of LH OF bats we already have?

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:08:35

If Manny goes to the Nats, I might injure myself from laughing.

by **Woody** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:10:56

lol@stevemc

by **Bakestar** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:10:58

jerseyhoya wrote:If Manny goes to the Nats, I might injure myself from laughing.

And I'd give Jessica Biel another phone call...

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:11:12

Mora's not a horrible option. I year left on his contract for $9MM (with club option for 2010) and mashes LHP (.622 SLG in 2008). Another no-walker, though.

by **kruker** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:11:41

Rick Ankiel STL
Jason Bay BOS
Marlon Byrd TEX
Frank Catalanotto TEX
Endy Chavez NYM
Coco Crisp * BOS
Carl Crawford TB
Johnny Damon NYY
David Dellucci CLE
Jermaine Dye * CWS
Ryan Freel CIN
Vladimir Guerrero LAA
Willie Harris WAS
Matt Holliday COL
Geoff Jenkins * PHI
Reed Johnson CHC
Andruw Jones LAD
Austin Kearns * WAS
Hideki Matusi NYY
Jason Michaels CLE
Xavier Nady NYY
Magglio Ordonez * DET
Dave Roberts SF
Gary Sheffield DET
Jason Werth PHI
Randy Winn SF
Dmitri Young WAS

Just so everyone knows who may be on the market next year. I'm ok with a stop gap option in LF so long as it isn't for more than next year. If you go with Rivera this year, I think you've either got to commit to youth in 2010 (Taylor if everything works out) or make a run at Crawford or Holliday.

by **jamiethekiller** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:13:05

can you imagine manny playing LF on a segway in nationals stadium.

holy crap

by **ReadingPhilly** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:13:11

jerseyhoya wrote:If Manny goes to the Nats, I might injure myself from laughing.

While some sources say Manny will sign in Washington, others say there is nothing to it. "Manny hates the overhead camera shots there," one source claimed. Apparently Manny watched a few of their games on TV and bitched that he "felt like he was watching from the moon" and vowed to never consider DC even if they offered a "bazillion dollar contract".

by **jamiethekiller** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 13:14:23

gtfo. i would love manny for nothing more than great quotes.

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