If they pick up Brocail to fill Seanez' mop-up role in the bullpen, it's not a horrible move.

General manager Jim Hendry said Wood was deserving of a three- or four-year deal and the Cubs are not prepared to offer him one.

Uh....by what measure. He's pitched 110 innings in the last 3 seasons combined. Anyone that gives Kerry Wood a 3-4 year deal should be sent straight to Bellevue.

its all over. this sucks. gettem in 2010

I am hearing that we are in on Manny and Burnett and that Burnett is 50-50 to go here or Atlanta

Squire wrote:

CFP wrote:According to sources a 2-year deal with Moyer is close

I like Moyer alot but this is silly. He gets a 1 year deal or an arb offer. I can't imagine there is another team in baseball that would give him 2 years, give up a draft pick and such team be one that he would consider pitching for.

Guess it matters how it's structured.

Squire wrote:

CFP wrote:According to sources a 2-year deal with Moyer is close

I like Moyer alot but this is silly. He gets a 1 year deal or an arb offer. I can't imagine there is another team in baseball that would give him 2 years, give up a draft pick and such team be one that he would consider pitching for.

SQUIRE

My guess is that it's not so much Phils vs. another team as it is Phils vs. retirement.

So Swisher and Kanekoa Texeira for Wilson Betemit, Jeff Marquez and Jhonny Nunez?

What's the Phillies equivalent of that, Kendrick and Golson? That really doesn't sound like a whole lot that the Yankees gave up there.

Marquez sucks. So does Betemeat

I don't get the disrespect Moyer gets. He hasn't missed a start since last millenium and had a 3 something ERA this year with half his games in CBP. I can't imagine there aren't some teams out there that would offer at least a 2 year contract to him. And by the way he's said he'd prefer to play for the Phils, but he will play on another team if not them. He's not going to retire.

bleh wrote:I don't get the disrespect Moyer gets. He hasn't missed a start since last millenium and had a 3 something ERA this year with half his games in CBP. I can't imagine there aren't some teams out there that would offer at least a 2 year contract to him. And by the way he's said he'd prefer to play for the Phils, but he will play on another team if not them. He's not going to retire.

No one will give up their first round pick, and give Moyer 2 years. No one.

So we'll bid against no one but Moyer and his agent, and give him 2 years. He was fan-fucking-tastic this year, but he won't be this year, and he'll be the 1500th-best option for 2010. I'd rather have James Moyer pitching in 2010.

Shore wrote:

bleh wrote:I don't get the disrespect Moyer gets. He hasn't missed a start since last millenium and had a 3 something ERA this year with half his games in CBP. I can't imagine there aren't some teams out there that would offer at least a 2 year contract to him. And by the way he's said he'd prefer to play for the Phils, but he will play on another team if not them. He's not going to retire.

No one will give up their first round pick, and give Moyer 2 years. No one.

So we'll bid against no one but Moyer and his agent, and give him 2 years. He was fan-$#@!-tastic this year, but he won't be this year, and he'll be the 1500th-best option for 2010. I'd rather have James Moyer pitching in 2010.

just try and pry him away from his guitar rig and 18 TB of phish shows

Im a no go. I hurt my arm throwing sliders when I was 11. I'd be limited to short relief, and can't pitch on back to back days.

And it's not really disrespect, just people being realistic. He'll be 46 when he starts the first year of that deal. Phil Niekro is the only starter to pitch a reasonable amount of innings at 47 (as in not 10 innings or something like that). Charlie Hough is the only other guy to do at 46.

Are you telling me we have a Steve Finley and a James Moyer on this board

Shore wrote:So we'll bid against no one but Moyer and his agent, and give him 2 years. He was fan-$#@!-tastic this year, but he won't be this year, and he'll be the 1500th-best option for 2010. I'd rather have James Moyer pitching in 2010.

January 4, 2007:

Shore wrote:Oh, and Jamie Moyer... he's very old. The beginning of this decade, he was only mildly old, and pitched well. The midlle of this decade, he was old, and pitched meh. Now, he's ancient, and Shore predicts a 5.85 ERA.

Since that time Moyer is 30-19 4.37.

Yeah, he's old. But he's a freak and I wouldn't bet against him (no disrespect to James).

JFLNYC wrote:

Shore wrote:So we'll bid against no one but Moyer and his agent, and give him 2 years. He was fan-$#@!-tastic this year, but he won't be this year, and he'll be the 1500th-best option for 2010. I'd rather have James Moyer pitching in 2010.

January 4, 2007:

Shore wrote:Oh, and Jamie Moyer... he's very old. The beginning of this decade, he was only mildly old, and pitched well. The midlle of this decade, he was old, and pitched meh. Now, he's ancient, and Shore predicts a 5.85 ERA.

Since that time Moyer is 30-19 4.37.

Yeah, he's old. But he's a freak and I wouldn't bet against him (no disrespect to James).

He had a great year. But the year before, he had a 5.01 ERA. He's not a freak. His ERA's the last 5 years are 5.21, 4.28, 4.30, 5.01, and 3.71, and I'm supposed to believe the 3.71 is predictive?

I tend to think that the older he gets, the more calls he'll get from the umps. Let's keep 'em till he's 60 and throwing 54 mph into the opposing dugouts for strikes

I mean really.

Offer him 1 year.

If he feels slighted by that, move on. There are a number of interesting free agent pitchers that arent Type A guys, who won't require us giving up picks, who are just as likely to be league average next year and who have even more upside.

Hell, I'd think Happ will produce a league average season over 200 innings if given the starts.

There's no need to overpay and add a potentially bad contract to the books for 2010, when all of our bad deals will be coming off the books.

karn wrote:I am hearing that we are in on Manny and Burnett and that Burnett is 50-50 to go here or Atlanta

Manny appears headed to Chicago. Burnett is close, annual figures match but their side wants 5 guaranteed

A name that hasn't gotten a lot of pub but that my guy is telling me could be a free agent surprise that will have us all talking is Mike Scott