First of all, i saw most of the game 'behind enemy lines' in the Dallass/Ft Worth airport on my way back from Ok City. A couple Corona's and no sound on -- allowed me to hear Harry and Whitey in my minds ear... the anit-phila. bias in natioanl sports coverage has been going as long as i can remember which is longer than the majority of you on this list have been alive. Only a few things have ever changed that. The brief glory period in the late 70's when all 4 franchises were competing for titles -- Doc J, was loved nationally - he had the star power, but that was left behind when the "Bird/Magic" mythology started to be built and later when Jordan took over the world.

RC "Ultimate Weapon" was a brief minute in time because he was so undeniably exciting, but as soon as he flatered and those teams couldn't close -- they threw him under the bus. I remember Terry and Howie mocking him and his tile laying off year -- only to see him come back and help the VIkes go 15-1.

I digress.

The point:

Phila. doesn't have a deep history of great wins. More peoplel remember the Carter hr, than all the good things. We're 0-2 in SB, and last won the Cup before the bi-centennial? How many you remember that event???

With Hamels, Howard and Utley and JRol there is theoretically enough star power -- but Torre, Manny and the LA glitz and all the Dodger lore will always trump it. McCarver left his Phillie loyalties a long time ago. He has fonder memories of the Cardinals in teh 60's than all his time in Philly or being fun and funny and respectful with Whitey early in his broadcast career.

Buck is a cluck. Weasel guy with annoying voice -- he's better on football.

That whole St. Louis contingent with Costas...

The only way you tunr this stuff around, is by winning. Win something, And it will change. When you have 1 WS win in 125 seasons, its hard to demand respect. They decided teh Dodgers were the better story and hyped them. Until we're up 2-0, or 3-1 it will continue to be skewed that way. If Ryan hits 3-4 jacks in a game, like Reggie Jax, things will shift.

Just blow it up and they will come around, because broadcasters ultimately are front-runners. If you are the winning team, if your big name guys do big name things -- you will start to get hyped.

There were three moments of note that I felt the "Timmy, Buck and Manny Show" went across the non-bias line:

2nd inning?: McCarver brings attention to Cole's move to first, and suggesting that it was a balk- never seen a call where a broadcaster initiates something like this before.

Bottom of the 7th: Ruiz's hustle single not receiving any notice from our announcing duo, but instead, two compliments doled out to both Furcal (for making a play on the ball) and Loney ( for stretching to catch the ball...too late for the out).

Bottom of the 7th: Rollins clearly beating out the throw at first, and not a single comment on even how close the play was- no replay offered either.

For either of the plays in the 7th, envision Manny in the same situation, and how diferently the play is called by the booth.

SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:There were three moments of note that I felt the "Timmy, Buck and Manny Show" went across the non-bias line:

2nd inning?: McCarver brings attention to Cole's move to first, and suggesting that it was a balk- never seen a call where a broadcaster initiates something like this before.

Bottom of the 7th: Ruiz's hustle single not receiving any notice from our announcing duo, but instead, two compliments doled out to both Furcal (for making a play on the ball) and Loney ( for stretching to catch the ball...too late for the out).

Bottom of the 7th: Rollins clearly beating out the throw at first, and not a single comment on even how close the play was- no replay offered either.

For either of the plays in the 7th, envision Manny in the same situation, and how diferently the play is called by the booth.

I can't kill him for either of the first two things because it was nearly a balk. I have heard announcers draw attention to this many times. The attempts by Furcal and Loney were good so I don't have a huge problem with that either. The play at first with Jimmy bothered me.

scottdg wrote:

SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:There were three moments of note that I felt the "Timmy, Buck and Manny Show" went across the non-bias line:

2nd inning?: McCarver brings attention to Cole's move to first, and suggesting that it was a balk- never seen a call where a broadcaster initiates something like this before.

Bottom of the 7th: Ruiz's hustle single not receiving any notice from our announcing duo, but instead, two compliments doled out to both Furcal (for making a play on the ball) and Loney ( for stretching to catch the ball...too late for the out).

Bottom of the 7th: Rollins clearly beating out the throw at first, and not a single comment on even how close the play was- no replay offered either.

For either of the plays in the 7th, envision Manny in the same situation, and how diferently the play is called by the booth.

I can't kill him for either of the first two things because it was nearly a balk. I have heard announcers draw attention to this many times. The attempts by Furcal and Loney were good so I don't have a huge problem with that either. The play at first with Jimmy bothered me.

yeah, it didn't help that they faded right to commercial and they come back from commercial with the pitcher already in mid windup every time. but if it were manny or probably any dodger they would have at least shown a replay the next inning.

Keep this in mind too, Fox is based in LA. To some extent, this is the networks home team.

Keep this in mind too the Dodgers used to be owned by Fox and the Republican cabal

Buck blames last night on the stadium. He is indeed ass.

kopphanatic wrote:Buck blames last night on the stadium. He is indeed ass.

oh, did he watch a replay or something? i wasn't aware that he watched the end of the game.

He probably spent last night drunkenly wandering Center City lamenting the unfairness of Citizens Bank Park and all things Philadelphia

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

FTN wrote:* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

True. I think I posted something earlier about most of the "pundits" and "experts" hoping for a Sox/Dodgers WS. The "Manny Past / Manny Present" storyline plays well on a national level, thus higher ratings, thus more ad revenues. But there are storylines that can be played for any other matchup. Phils/Sox (Tito!). Any Rays matchup ("zOMG!!! The first year they don't finish in last place, they're in the frickin World Series!")

There is also an outfielder in Boston who is none-too-popular in Philadelphia.

Woody wrote:Keep this in mind too the Dodgers used to be owned by Fox and the Republican cabal

We'll take them on in '12. I hate Lasorda and I'm still bitter about 77 and 78 so my hatred for Dodger blue has been re-kindled.

mozartpc27 wrote:About the silence thing on the last play: I feel like Joe Buck often goes silent at what he deems "big" moments when they occur in favor the home team in their ballpark/stadium, to allow the emotion of the fans speak for itself.

I've noticed him doing that for years. I kind of like it. Beats listening to them babble, certainly.

mozartpc27 wrote:But the whole Manny past/Manny present storyline is just.... ugh. What about a Philadelphia-Boston unfinished business Super Bowl emerging rivalry between the towns sort of thing? Same thing with Philadelphia-Tampa. Or the fact that Philadelphia hasn't seen a parade OF ANY KIND in 25 years? Yeah, yeah, yeah people go on and on about the $#@!-ing Cubs and their drought and it turns into "Wouldn't it be great to see them win?", but when the drought is mentioned, no one ever seems to suggest it would be nice to see the team from Philadelphia win.

You're thinking way too much here to effectively track the "process" of a TV sports producer. Trust me on this.

if i leave now - maybe i could get him before he gets on the plane...hmm

still ass by the way.

scottdg wrote:

SteveJeltzPhanClub wrote:There were three moments of note that I felt the "Timmy, Buck and Manny Show" went across the non-bias line:

2nd inning?: McCarver brings attention to Cole's move to first, and suggesting that it was a balk- never seen a call where a broadcaster initiates something like this before.

Bottom of the 7th: Ruiz's hustle single not receiving any notice from our announcing duo, but instead, two compliments doled out to both Furcal (for making a play on the ball) and Loney ( for stretching to catch the ball...too late for the out).

Bottom of the 7th: Rollins clearly beating out the throw at first, and not a single comment on even how close the play was- no replay offered either.

For either of the plays in the 7th, envision Manny in the same situation, and how diferently the play is called by the booth.

I can't kill him for either of the first two things because it was nearly a balk. I have heard announcers draw attention to this many times. The attempts by Furcal and Loney were good so I don't have a huge problem with that either. The play at first with Jimmy bothered me.

What was odd to me on the balk discussion though, is that that it was so close to Carlton's move, which always elicited the same discussion, and for whom, of course, McCarver was the personal catcher for so many years. That's neither pro nor con, I just found it odd that he didn't make the comparison.

FWIW, I don't find McCarver "pro-dodger", although annoying in other ways. Buck is more suspect, but what really seems to peeve him is anything that might happen to prolong the game and make him work a little longer.

Yeah, I have to honestly say Buck just seems like a jerk. Not a pro-Dodger jerk, just a jerk.

Buck was asked about his favoritism on DNL tonight. He seemed aware that there was discussion about his game calling. Of course, he played it off as no matter what teams are involved, fans claim he always favors the other team.

Marion wrote:Buck was asked about his favoritism on DNL tonight. He seemed aware that there was discussion about his game calling. Of course, he played it off as no matter what teams are involved, fans claim he always favors the other team.

doubt it