Joe Buck is ass

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:30:20

McCarver: Madson has the best changeup on the Phillies

do you even watch baseball?

by **phatj** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:30:22

Bill McNeal wrote:To be honest, I can't stand Buck/McCarver, and I've really been bugged by them in every playoff year until now. I don't hear them. I have the sound on, but for the most part they are just part of the noise.

by **Drugs Delaney** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:32:20

FTN wrote:
Drugs Delaney wrote:
FTN wrote:oh christ here we go

Hi, FTN! It's been a while. How are ya?

not as good as you, but that goes without saying.

Yeah, but are you happy?

by **cartersDad26** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:32:46

Drugs Delaney wrote:
cartersDad26 wrote:
LongDrive wrote:I thought the the Phillies won :?:

:?

buck has robbed me of my rightful joy.

Dude, learn to love life. It's so much better that way. Jesus.

i am a miserable bastard. i'll probably be sweating how shitty they'll be next year, during the broad street parade.

by **FTN** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:33:06

I'm happy, even though I know I don't deserve it.

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:34:07

All honesty, FTN, no one deserves it more than you, you bleed this shit

by **cartersDad26** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:36:49

Another thought (so this is really a Buck/Fox hate rant I'm on)

What's with zooming way way in on Phils pitchers grips and not dodgers? shady.

by **LongDrive** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:37:31

Houshphandzadeh wrote:McCarver: Madson has the best changeup on the Phillies

do you even watch baseball?

I turned to my neighbor and said "Ahh, what about Hamels"?

by **ucancallmedavis** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:40:38

Houshphandzadeh wrote:oh cmon lets not jump on every guy with less than 1000 posts who shows a little righteous anger, as if he's the only one.

I was getting pissed off the whole time over how much it seemed like a Dodgers home game. I hated it. screw the both of them.

So true. You would think LA won more than just 76 games. All we hear about is how hot the Dodgers were down the stretch, were we not 13-3 in the last 16? Did we not handle CC? What an undeserved bias towards LA. Maybe tonight will change their respective tunes, after all, we did beat the greatest team in the history of baseball with SOOO many future hall of famers, blah, blah, blah.

I think I hate Tim McEgo more, but not by much. Joe Suck can go to hell too.

by **Drugs Delaney** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:43:13

FTN wrote:I'm happy, even though I know I don't deserve it.

That's good. It's certainly better than most of the alternatives.

by **Slowhand** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:47:15

cartersDad26 wrote:Another thought (so this is really a Buck/Fox hate rant I'm on)

What's with zooming way way in on Phils pitchers grips and not dodgers? shady.

This is a good point :idea:

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:47:46

Houshphandzadeh wrote:McCarver: Madson has the best changeup on the Phillies

do you even watch baseball?

That was definitely the worst. He even said it twice and Buck said nothing.

by **ucancallmedavis** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:53:54

philliesphhan wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:McCarver: Madson has the best changeup on the Phillies

do you even watch baseball?

That was definitely the worst. He even said it twice and Buck said nothing.

Buck letting McCarver dig his own grave, and/or too busy sucking at what he does to respond to Tim.

by **FTN** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:57:47

Look, you guys need to get a grip.

* McCarver and Buck are not Baseball Prospectus analysts. They aren't sitting there with multitudes of stat sheets. Most of America/the world doesn't think about baseball like people at BP, or most of the people here.

* The point of the telecast, from Fox's perspective, is just to make it folksy and fun to watch. Thats the only reason McCarver has his job.

* McCarver says dumb things, but hes just shooting from the hip, he's not sitting there looking things up. He's trying to stay with the flow of the game.

* Buck just lets McCarver ramble. I've heard him contradict him a few times, but not much. He lets him go. McCarver is an old school player, Buck never played the game and grew up with a father who was a legendary announcer. He's old school too, to a lesser degree, and just lets McCarver spin a yarn about something irrelevant because he probably thinks most people like those nuggets. I'm sure Fox feels that way too.

* If you watch these games to get any kind of analysis, I feel bad for you. Buck's voice isn't distracting. That's really all that you can ask for.

* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

Who really cares? Just watch the games. Expecting these guys to be any different from the 99% of announcers who have no clue is foolish

by **ucancallmedavis** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 00:02:07

FTN wrote:Look, you guys need to get a grip.

* McCarver and Buck are not Baseball Prospectus analysts. They aren't sitting there with multitudes of stat sheets. Most of America/the world doesn't think about baseball like people at BP, or most of the people here.

* The point of the telecast, from Fox's perspective, is just to make it folksy and fun to watch. Thats the only reason McCarver has his job.

* McCarver says dumb things, but hes just shooting from the hip, he's not sitting there looking things up. He's trying to stay with the flow of the game.

* Buck just lets McCarver ramble. I've heard him contradict him a few times, but not much. He lets him go. McCarver is an old school player, Buck never played the game and grew up with a father who was a legendary announcer. He's old school too, to a lesser degree, and just lets McCarver spin a yarn about something irrelevant because he probably thinks most people like those nuggets. I'm sure Fox feels that way too.

* If you watch these games to get any kind of analysis, I feel bad for you. Buck's voice isn't distracting. That's really all that you can ask for.

* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

Who really cares? Just watch the games. Expecting these guys to be any different from the 99% of announcers who have no clue is foolish

Cant really disagree with you at all, very accurate, but you did just take all the fun out of this thread.

by **jerseyhoya** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 00:02:54

FTN wrote:Look, you guys need to get a grip.

* McCarver and Buck are not Baseball Prospectus analysts. They aren't sitting there with multitudes of stat sheets. Most of America/the world doesn't think about baseball like people at BP, or most of the people here.

* The point of the telecast, from Fox's perspective, is just to make it folksy and fun to watch. Thats the only reason McCarver has his job.

* McCarver says dumb things, but hes just shooting from the hip, he's not sitting there looking things up. He's trying to stay with the flow of the game.

* Buck just lets McCarver ramble. I've heard him contradict him a few times, but not much. He lets him go. McCarver is an old school player, Buck never played the game and grew up with a father who was a legendary announcer. He's old school too, to a lesser degree, and just lets McCarver spin a yarn about something irrelevant because he probably thinks most people like those nuggets. I'm sure Fox feels that way too.

* If you watch these games to get any kind of analysis, I feel bad for you. Buck's voice isn't distracting. That's really all that you can ask for.

* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

Who really cares? Just watch the games. Expecting these guys to be any different from the 99% of announcers who have no clue is foolish

Why you so angry, FTN?

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 03:06:44

FTN wrote:* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

True. I think I posted something earlier about most of the "pundits" and "experts" hoping for a Sox/Dodgers WS. The "Manny Past / Manny Present" storyline plays well on a national level, thus higher ratings, thus more ad revenues. But there are storylines that can be played for any other matchup. Phils/Sox (Tito!). Any Rays matchup ("zOMG!!! The first year they don't finish in last place, they're in the frickin World Series!")

My opinion is... for a national broadcast by a national network, the game broadcasters should be neutral and not leave the impression of having a preference. Who cares if the talking head "pundits", "analysts" and "experts" have a biased agenda, the national game broadcasters shouldn't (if they wish to maintain some level of integrity).

by **FTN** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 03:11:42

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
FTN wrote:* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

True. I think I posted something earlier about most of the "pundits" and "experts" hoping for a Sox/Dodgers WS. The "Manny Past / Manny Present" storyline plays well on a national level, thus higher ratings, thus more ad revenues. But there are storylines that can be played for any other matchup. Phils/Sox (Tito!). Any Rays matchup ("zOMG!!! The first year they don't finish in last place, they're in the frickin World Series!")

My opinion is... for a national broadcast by a national network, the game broadcasters should be neutral and not leave the impression of having a preference. Who cares if the talking head "pundits", "analysts" and "experts" have a biased agenda, the national game broadcasters shouldn't (if they wish to maintain some level of integrity).

I doubt they care about that. People are gonna watch the games no matter what. Supply/demand

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 03:19:18

FTN wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
FTN wrote:* The bias is obvious, but its not an anti-Phillies bias, its a bias for the big storylines, because thats what grabs ratings. No one hates the Phillies. But the storylines from a Red Sox/Dodgers WS would obviously provide much more fodder for the likes of ESPN/FOX/TBS/whatever other outlet.

True. I think I posted something earlier about most of the "pundits" and "experts" hoping for a Sox/Dodgers WS. The "Manny Past / Manny Present" storyline plays well on a national level, thus higher ratings, thus more ad revenues. But there are storylines that can be played for any other matchup. Phils/Sox (Tito!). Any Rays matchup ("zOMG!!! The first year they don't finish in last place, they're in the frickin World Series!")

My opinion is... for a national broadcast by a national network, the game broadcasters should be neutral and not leave the impression of having a preference. Who cares if the talking head "pundits", "analysts" and "experts" have a biased agenda, the national game broadcasters shouldn't (if they wish to maintain some level of integrity).

I doubt they care about that. People are gonna watch the games no matter what. Supply/demand

Mebbe tomorrow, I'll watch the game with the SAP audio channel since I don't know Spanish. Might be interesting, especially if they slip up and yell "gooooooaaaaaaaaaaalllllllll" when a run scores.

by **Woody** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 08:16:07

Poor Carter, that's all I have to say.

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