I'll post here because I don't want to be preachy and push my views in everybody face. If you like the Eagles thats great, I was a fan for 30 years. Its a great diversion, which is great in these tough times. However, I think the ownership are a bunch of fools. Whatever though, thats par for the course in this city over the long haul.

Lets get right to it, though. I think Michael Vick is a piece of shit. This view was held by some fans, if not all, before his recent great play. Now it seems it as if he is the messiah of Eagles Nation. Thats OK, bandwagon jumping is a fact of life....but now things are a little different now, right? I haven't lived a perfect life but I have never killed or tortured any living thing. He served his time (though not for dog fighting) so he is entitled to live his life, but if he's who you want to root for to win every Sunday or if thats who you want to tell your kids to look up to then ......ummm OK

Everything else about this comeback bullshit is pure corporate media bullshit. Hey lets sell more Vick shirts! More Vick games (viewership-wise)!
More Vick video games! More Vick EVERYTHING!

Most will not like this, but I actually agree. I'm still an Eagles fan, so I hope they do well, but feel bad rooting for a piece of trash like Vick. It's like a Myers/Phillies* situation a few years back

* Really don't want to get into a Myers/Vick crime degree argument. If you don't like the analogy, sorry.

I get it, really, I do, I have a good friend who refuses to watch the games anymore for the same reason.

My thing is that I don't expect athletes to be good people off the field. I don't think athletes owe me anything other than what I pay for, which is on field production. I can compartmentalize Michael Vick the person and Michael Vick the athlete.

I still believe in parents as role models. I never saw an athlete as somebody I looked up to or wanted to be just like growing up, I wanted to be like my dad or a favorite teacher, somebody who was close to me, not somebody who will never know my name.

I root for the Eagles to win every Sunday. If Michael Vick is on the Eagles, then yes, I'm rooting for him.

It's not about role models for me, it's about how athletes get special treatment. If anyone of us had a history of drug dealing in college with a felony charge of animal cruelty, how many of us would be able to get a well paying job in our field?

The thing I hate with most Eagles fans drooling over Vick is that these were the same fans calling him overrated/bad/whatever 5-8 years ago with Atlanta

I know most won't agree with me on this, but that's my opinion.

well, if you were as good a meteorologist as vick is a qb, maybe you could get away with killing dogs, too

just curious and trying to threadjack, but are you guys vegetarians?

cause really no one who eats meat can say a thing about animal cruelty, including myself

I want to go to Fogo de Chao.

jerseyhoya wrote:I want to go to Fogo de Chao.

lets use that gift cert, fuck your parents

I also wonder why there's little/no outrage over horse racing. What do you think they do to the horses when they can't win anymore, feed them strawberries on a hill

more room for me to root for his sick play

Outrage over Vick is easy morality--it satisfies a need to condemn others without requiring any behavioral change or introspection on our part. He's not exactly likable in the first place, and it's easy enough to avoid uncomfortable comparisons between dog fighting and meat eating or hunting or horse racing (and you really don't want to know about Tennessee walking horses) because dog fighting is simply beyond the pale.

We won't see similar outrage when an athlete gets picked up for a DUI, because even though such a person has put human lives at risk, the behavior is close to our own and thus condemning it is condemning ourselves.

i'm gonna be honest, unless someone killed my dog, i don't really give a crap.

my mom's funny about it. she's like, "Pitbulls are gross, I hate them. He's a saint."

You racists are trying to put down black culture!!

and I think you all owe an apology to karn

SK790 wrote:It's not about role models for me, it's about how athletes get special treatment. If anyone of us had a history of drug dealing in college with a felony charge of animal cruelty, how many of us would be able to get a well paying job in our field?

The thing I hate with most Eagles fans drooling over Vick is that these were the same fans calling him overrated/bad/whatever 5-8 years ago with Atlanta

I know most won't agree with me on this, but that's my opinion.

If you were elite in your field, as he is, you could have a chance.

It's not like Vick walked on the red carpet to get back into the league. He came back at a fraction of the money he made before to be a backup QB. He worked hard, and his opportunity came, and he's making the most of it.

we created the problem of pit bulls. they are not cuddly, and were never designed to be. they really shouldn't exist.

obviously not a common opinion, and not a defense of vick. but, if you own a pit bull, i'm suspicious about your reasons because of their history.

pacino wrote:we created the problem of pit bulls. they are not cuddly, and were never designed to be. they really shouldn't exist.

obviously not a common opinion, and not a defense of vick. but, if you own a pit bull, i'm suspicious about your reasons because of their history.

Pit Bulls get a bad rap- it's mistreated Pit Bulls that are the problem

they were bred to be strong and aggressive. guess what, they'r;e strong and aggressive. there is no use for them.

i like animals, but i dont elevate them above humans, and i dont try to elevate certain animals above others. that's why i never understood why people reel back when others eat dogs/cats/horses/whatever

CDC-

it does not identify specific breeds that are most likely to bite or kill, and thus is not appropriate for policy-making decisions related to the topic. Each year, 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs. These bites result in approximately 16 fatalities; about 0.0002 percent of the total number of people bitten. These relatively few fatalities offer the only available information about breeds involved in dog bites. There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill.

most animal experts agree that it's the dog's treatment and training that lead to bites and aggression- not the breed