bleh wrote:

The Dude wrote:no idea what you're seeing in that shot, but watch the video for a second or two after this and that's when jfk's head explodes

JFK was shot twice. Once in the neck and once in the head. The single bullet theory was always about the first shot. There was also a shot before both of those that missed entirely.


I think a more likely conspiracy was with RFK's shooting. There is a lot of evidence that there were more than 8 shots fired, and Sirhan's gun only held 8 bullets. And the LAPD destroyed all the evidence from the crime scene.

Sirhan shot a bunch of times but some cop or something pulled his gat and accidently fired off a round as I recall. Sirhhan killed Bobby. The rest of it was a total clusterfuck.

I once did a 30-minute presentation in history class on the JFK assassination, basically running down every reason I thought Oswald acted alone. I had videos, slides, photos, interviews, text, etc. The works, really.

Professor gave me a B but refused to go higher because I didn't entertain possibility of a second gunman. I was sick of it.

Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

Eem wrote:I once did a 30-minute presentation in history class on the JFK assassination, basically running down every reason I thought Oswald acted alone. I had videos, slides, photos, interviews, text, etc. The works, really.

Professor gave me a B but refused to go higher because I didn't entertain possibility of a second gunman. I was sick of it.

Your professor is a dolt.

You're all sheep being led blindly down the road to hell by the military industrial complex.

TenuredVulture wrote:Let me be specific. Hedge funds have openly driven many people into foreclosure, wrecking the economy while doing it. They did it openly. They were aided by generous campaign contributions, which got favorable legislation passed so that their massive income is taxed at a lower rate than mine. This was all done openly. Even the campaign donations are easily identified. There's a conspiracy, sure. But it has nothing to do with 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.

Or go to PTK's (and now Woddy's) other obsession--our food supply. Again, why is our food so literally shitty? Again, it's all done out in the open. Interest groups fund campaigns, getting favorable legislation passed, and the rest of us eat shit.

There's no need for secret conspiracies when we can be robbed and poisoned for reasons that we can easily understand by people we can easily identify by means we can easily understand.

I think there are things openly being done and others things not so openly. If there's a way to make money off of it, somebody is doing it.

The food problem has become the thing that gets me the most upset, I think. We are literally producing the worst possible food we can, subsidizing the least nutritive and most unhealthy food while ignoring fresh water and soil loss, all while poisoning the environment in the process. And fossil fuels are used throughout the process. It's unsustainable in every way. Hell, farmers aren't even allowed to plant what they want in many areas due to ridiculous litigation by big ag companies. Want to complain about it? Too bad, it's illegal to criticize these companies in some states.

edit: I don't want to post a pro-swiss comment twice in two days lest someone tell me to renounce my US citizenship, but they subsidize the right things here. Fresh veggies are cheap and processed food is expensive.

It's an eminence front. It's an eminence front...





It's a put on.

Eem wrote:Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

That and Ruby killing Oswald definitely stoked the conspiracy fires.

BDawk wrote:

Eem wrote:Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

That and Ruby killing Oswald definitely stoked the conspiracy fires.

Yeh, I still really don't get that part.

I'm not naive enough to think that what I hear in the media is always the truth. But I don't go all Jesse Ventura or Alex Jones either.

Monkeyboy wrote:

BDawk wrote:

Eem wrote:Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

That and Ruby killing Oswald definitely stoked the conspiracy fires.

Yeh, I still really don't get that part.

Well if it was the Mob that hired Oswald to kill JFK, then they were afraid that he would talk, so they used one of their low level associates to take him out.

stevelxa476 wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

BDawk wrote:

Eem wrote:Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

That and Ruby killing Oswald definitely stoked the conspiracy fires.

Yeh, I still really don't get that part.

Well if it was the Mob that hired Oswald to kill JFK, then they were afraid that he would talk, so they used one of their low level associates to take him out.

Oh, I get that part. I don't get why Ruby would kill Oswald by himself for no reason. Part of reason the Oswald murder fed the conspiracy ideas was because it's hard to see a motive for Ruby to kill him. If Ruby wasn't covering up a plot, then why did he do it? He was dying and maybe he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory?

TenuredVulture wrote:Let me be specific. Hedge funds have openly driven many people into foreclosure, wrecking the economy while doing it. They did it openly. They were aided by generous campaign contributions, which got favorable legislation passed so that their massive income is taxed at a lower rate than mine. This was all done openly. Even the campaign donations are easily identified. There's a conspiracy, sure. But it has nothing to do with 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.

Or go to PTK's (and now Woddy's) other obsession--our food supply. Again, why is our food so literally #$!&@? Again, it's all done out in the open. Interest groups fund campaigns, getting favorable legislation passed, and the rest of us eat #$!&@.

There's no need for secret conspiracies when we can be robbed and poisoned for reasons that we can easily understand by people we can easily identify by means we can easily understand.

I'm 100% with this. I'm always trying to tell my crazy friends that you don't need to look any farther than politics and economics that are right there on the front page, but that just doesn't satisfy them for some reason.

Monkeyboy wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

BDawk wrote:

Eem wrote:Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

That and Ruby killing Oswald definitely stoked the conspiracy fires.

Yeh, I still really don't get that part.

Well if it was the Mob that hired Oswald to kill JFK, then they were afraid that he would talk, so they used one of their low level associates to take him out.

Oh, I get that part. I don't get why Ruby would kill Oswald by himself for no reason. Part of reason the Oswald murder fed the conspiracy ideas was because it's hard to see a motive for Ruby to kill him. If Ruby wasn't covering up a plot, then why did he do it? He was dying and maybe he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory?

Ah I gotcha now. Of all the JFK conspiracy theories, the Mob one always made the most sense to me in terms of plausability.

Monkeyboy wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:Let me be specific. Hedge funds have openly driven many people into foreclosure, wrecking the economy while doing it. They did it openly. They were aided by generous campaign contributions, which got favorable legislation passed so that their massive income is taxed at a lower rate than mine. This was all done openly. Even the campaign donations are easily identified. There's a conspiracy, sure. But it has nothing to do with 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.

Or go to PTK's (and now Woddy's) other obsession--our food supply. Again, why is our food so literally shitty? Again, it's all done out in the open. Interest groups fund campaigns, getting favorable legislation passed, and the rest of us eat shit.

There's no need for secret conspiracies when we can be robbed and poisoned for reasons that we can easily understand by people we can easily identify by means we can easily understand.

I think there are things openly being done and others things not so openly. If there's a way to make money off of it, somebody is doing it.

The food problem has become the thing that gets me the most upset, I think. We are literally producing the worst possible food we can, subsidizing the least nutritive and most unhealthy food while ignoring fresh water and soil loss, all while poisoning the environment in the process. And fossil fuels are used throughout the process. It's unsustainable in every way. Hell, farmers aren't even allowed to plant what they want in many areas due to ridiculous litigation by big ag companies. Want to complain about it? Too bad, it's illegal to criticize these companies in some states.

edit: I don't want to post a pro-swiss comment twice in two days lest someone tell me to renounce my US citizenship, but they subsidize the right things here. Fresh veggies are cheap and processed food is expensive.

My point is the food thing isn't a secret conspiracy. It's right on the damn package when you buy it. Conspiracy theories are a distraction that allow corporations to exercise their control in broad daylight. Ever wonder why in the main conspiracies seem to have a greater hold on right wingers? It's to prevent cognitive dissonance. "It can't be corporations that are screwing me, it's the UN!"

this isnt a discussion. people believing in crazy things dont get equal opportunity in a debate simply because they hold that batshit opinion. 9/11 was not an inside job. anyone who says otherwise can honestly fuck off into the night for all i care.

this was a response to earlier 9/11 posts, not the above stuff.

pacino wrote:this isnt a discussion. people believing in crazy things dont get equal opportunity in a debate simply because they hold that #$!&@ opinion. 9/11 was not an inside job. anyone who says otherwise can honestly #$!&@ off into the night for all i care.

this was a response to earlier 9/11 posts, not the above stuff.

I think that's a little too strong. But they'd better have some actual evidence, not just some vague "unanswered questions" if they're going to make that kind of a claim. At least if they want to not be immediately dismissed as nutjobs.

Monkeyboy wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

BDawk wrote:

Eem wrote:Really, the fact of the matter is that people have a tough time believing that one nut with a gun could take down the leader of the free world. Everything that happens on that scale HAS to be a conspiracy/cover-up/etc. because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Sometimes the world don't make sense.

That and Ruby killing Oswald definitely stoked the conspiracy fires.

Yeh, I still really don't get that part.

Well if it was the Mob that hired Oswald to kill JFK, then they were afraid that he would talk, so they used one of their low level associates to take him out.

Oh, I get that part. I don't get why Ruby would kill Oswald by himself for no reason. Part of reason the Oswald murder fed the conspiracy ideas was because it's hard to see a motive for Ruby to kill him. If Ruby wasn't covering up a plot, then why did he do it? He was dying and maybe he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory?

Ruby was a pretty interesting fuckup. Fascinating to read about him as an exploration of the varieties of human nature. More interesting to me than conspiracy theories, I must say.

Before Ruby shot Oswald he went to Western Union and sent money to a stripper who worked for him. Afterwards they found the receipt in his pocket and the time on it was 4 minutes before Oswald was shot.

The implausible part of the JFK thing for me isn't that Oswald was capable of shooting him. I definitely think he fired some bullets John's way. It was all the weird connections and events surrounding him. Why was Onasis friend George de Mohrenschildt and CIA contact friends with this loser? How did a former military man defect to & live in Russia at the height of teh cold war, and then come back to domestic US life without any problems. Why are Oswald's tax returns sealed for another 20 years? Why did Oswald work in the same building as FBI agent Guy Banister.

I don't pretend to have a clear idea of what happened but there's lots of very weird, documented evidence that Oswald was connected to intelligence communities.