Can anybody name ONE major infamous event in history which, initially, was thought to be a somewhat isolated act, but after further review and analysis turned up proof that it really WAS a conspiracy?? JFK, OK City, 9/11, etc., have all been the fodder of the conspiracy theorists, but still remain just that- theories.

Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy.

Bucky wrote:Can anybody name ONE major infamous event in history which, initially, was thought to be a somewhat isolated act, but after further review and analysis turned up proof that it really WAS a conspiracy?? JFK, OK City, 9/11, etc., have all been the fodder of the conspiracy theorists, but still remain just that- theories.

I think this is part of what makes conspiracy theories so fascinating, at least to me. By the very nature of how they come into existence, they're often nearly impossible to totally confirm and/or outright (at least for some believers) refute.

I don't think there is a person on earth that could convince me that the JFK assassination happened the way the government said it did.

Wheels Tupay wrote:I don't think there is a person on earth that could convince me that the JFK assassination happened the way the government said it did.

Someone more articulate than I am could I think.

I've looked at this for many decades and find the Oswald story 100 percent plausible. Not 100 percent that that's how it happened. But It certainly could have. I think there is zero evidence that PROVES it didn't happen the way the government presented it.

Wheels Tupay wrote:I don't think there is a person on earth that could convince me that the JFK assassination happened the way the government said it did.

which part

physics is on the side of lone gunman theory including the magic bullet

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:I don't think there is a person on earth that could convince me that the JFK assassination happened the way the government said it did.

which part

physics is on the side of lone gunman theory including the magic bullet

Exactly. Ballistics is as well. For those who don't believe that a high powered rifle bullet can go through soft flesh and wound two people, you have to answer the question of where the alleged second bullet went.

The problem with every conspiracy theory element I have studied is that each is less plausible than the government story.

Conspiracy theories allow those who operate the real levers of power to operate in plain sight. We know who really runs things, and how they do it. They do it openly. Conspiracy theories prevent us from recognizing this simple and obvious fact.

so you're saying it IS the jews, aren't you

Most of these things are conspiracies. OKC was more than one person, as was 9/11 (even without considering who planned or financed it). We just choose to believe the conspiracy theory the government is peddling rather than the one being peddled on the internet. People stay quiet about crimes all the time, so I don't see why they wouldn't keep quiet about killing tons of people.

That said, much more often than not, the government story is probably correct. But I really doubt it is all the time. Lincoln is an obvious example, but I suspect 9/11 is also on that list. Tons of groups had something to gain by 9/11. The idea that other people may have been involved in the financing and planning than the ones laid out by the government really doesn't seem that far fetched, especially when you consider that we KNOW that much of the official story was full of lies to get us into Iraq. The problem is that the noise from the bat shit crazy tends to drowned out the more reasonable questions. Questioners end up being labelled conspiracy theorists, which makes them less likely to bother to ask the reasonable questions that should be asked. The conspiracy movement is a boon to conspirators because it allows them to label and dismiss those asking questions that could lead to the truth.

That's good stuff Monkeyboy.

And that is a weird sentence to write.

Only because Monkeyboy is such a funny name.

But anyway, you make a ton of sense.

The media is in bed with the government too..regardless of which party is in power. The media has such a hold on the American public its ridiculous. If anyone paid attention they would realize the partisan hacks on TV are doing the government a favor by yelling about hot button issues that mask actual issues that aren't reported. The American media blows...if anyone has ever watched international programming its much more informative about real issues like how our drone attacks are killing civilians and it constantly goes unreported here...

Please don't post links to Penn & Teller to support your point.

Let me be specific. Hedge funds have openly driven many people into foreclosure, wrecking the economy while doing it. They did it openly. They were aided by generous campaign contributions, which got favorable legislation passed so that their massive income is taxed at a lower rate than mine. This was all done openly. Even the campaign donations are easily identified. There's a conspiracy, sure. But it has nothing to do with 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.

Or go to PTK's (and now Woddy's) other obsession--our food supply. Again, why is our food so literally shitty? Again, it's all done out in the open. Interest groups fund campaigns, getting favorable legislation passed, and the rest of us eat shit.

There's no need for secret conspiracies when we can be robbed and poisoned for reasons that we can easily understand by people we can easily identify by means we can easily understand.

Wheels Tupay wrote:I don't think there is a person on earth that could convince me that the JFK assassination happened the way the government said it did.

I read up on it a bit and became fairly convinced Oswald at least was the one who shot and killed him. Read this:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/in ... 085.0;wap2

Once you establish that and read more about Oswald, it just makes more sense that he acted alone. And there really is no need for a second shooter. The Zapruder film holds up the single bullet theory. You can see the exact frame where Connelly is shot: http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc15 ... Clip-1.gif You can see his jacket move forward. Then immediately after this JFK moves his arms up to his throat. Everything about the bullet having to zigzag in the JFK movie was bullshit since it was based on JFK and Connelly being in a straight line, but JFK was seated to the right of Connelly.

And read this interview with Zapruder's secretary you see there was no gunman on the grassy knoll or any shots fired from there.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sitzman.txt

Does anyone still buy into that bull crap Copernicus tried to feed us?

no idea what you're seeing in that shot, but watch the video for a second or two after this and that's when jfk's head explodes

swishnicholson wrote:Does anyone still buy into that bull crap Copernicus tried to feed us?

Nah, Nostradamus is where it's at

The Dude wrote:no idea what you're seeing in that shot, but watch the video for a second or two after this and that's when jfk's head explodes

JFK was shot twice. Once in the neck and once in the head. The single bullet theory was always about the first shot. There was also a shot before both of those that missed entirely.


I think a more likely conspiracy was with RFK's shooting. There is a lot of evidence that there were more than 8 shots fired, and Sirhan's gun only held 8 bullets. And the LAPD destroyed all the evidence from the crime scene.

bleh wrote:

The Dude wrote:no idea what you're seeing in that shot, but watch the video for a second or two after this and that's when jfk's head explodes

he was shot twice. Once in the neck and once in the head. The single bullet theory was always about the first shot. There was also a shot before both of those that missed entirely.


I think a more likely conspiracy was with RFK's shooting. There is a lot of evidence that there were more than 8 shots fired, and Sirhan's gun only held 8 bullets. And the LAPD destroyed all the evidence from the crime scene.

They would never