joe table wrote:They have one for that reaction

hey, joe, I'm not offended

and you're white like me, so....?

joe table, you may well ask, how'd I miss the irony opportunity? Jim Hall: white; Bill Evans: white; Paul Desmond; white

but Vijay Iyer, Indian; Rudresh Mahanthappa, Indian (will kick your ass)

for that matter, joe, I will kick your ass (you do not want your ass kicked by someone my age)

I get it now - what Joe wants is for PtK's thread to be atop the HWGA forum list throughout the 2010 season

That's a goal worth living for

Tip: Gretchen Parlato looks a good deal like the chick on Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia that Charlie lusts after but who's been abused by just about everyone else on the show BUT Charlie

Girl can sing

wait, Smooth, you're white?

Jazz is much like classical -- its suffering from the fact that it evolved beyond a commercial interest. When Jazz was the music of the Black Community(ies) in early 20th century it combined the story telling (lyrics), feeling (rhythm harmony) and communality of ritual w dance -- (as almost all indigenous music-dance-song forms have done in history) -- at each point though where the music became more complex (see classical, leaving the troubadors and minisingers behind, or the Lute dude at the inn) lighter forms more accessible replace. In the case of Jazz, it could've been boogie woogie , later rhythm n blues, soul, funk, disco, hip hop, rock roots were founded within that too...

Hip Hop by the early mid 80's had the beats, the story telling and dance-ability and became the genre representing the community. Jazz in most respects (not all of it) had elevated to a higher art form with a higher brow audience.

Part of the reason whites support it, is economic not cultural. Whites laregly support classical and opera too. Or world music festivals presented in high-art venues...

Anyway -- I think Jazz should remain atop the board because its an amazing art form

Awwwway back in the beginning of this thread FTN included Kurt Rosenwinkel among his listened-to guitarists, and I only today discovered that, like Pat Martino (FTN or Slowhand mentioned him), Rosenwinkel's a Philly guy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzR1tAo-gRU[/youtube]

Since I'm on a piano roll...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIp4hLGTjDU[/youtube]

VSOP - minus miles or Freddie Hubbar -- but Roney holds the position - this is the big leagues...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIVh2o9yKcs[/youtube]

This is the feeling

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSP4tE1i5sE[/youtube]

29th Street Sax Quarter back in the 80s more to that decade musically that Duran Duran REM and Jacko

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEyGRCqbT3M&feature=related[/youtube]

More raving about jazzwax.com:

today Myers posts a nice Harvey Pekar American Splendor cartoon, in which Harvey bitches about being called on to write yet another review of a same-sounding mid-60s Sonny Stitt recording.

drsmooth wrote:More raving about jazzwax.com:

today Myers posts a nice Harvey Pekar American Splendor cartoon, in which Harvey bitches about being called on to write yet another review of a same-sounding mid-60s Sonny Stitt recording.

Interesting...

I can say that I really like Sonny Stitt, the Stitt Rollins Gillespie -- original of The Eternal Triangle... but that's the 50's

Philly the Kid wrote:

drsmooth wrote:More raving about jazzwax.com:

today Myers posts a nice Harvey Pekar American Splendor cartoon, in which Harvey bitches about being called on to write yet another review of a same-sounding mid-60s Sonny Stitt recording.

Interesting...

I can say that I really like Sonny Stitt, the Stitt Rollins Gillespie -- original of The Eternal Triangle... but that's the 50's

Stitt recorded so prolifically it was inevitable he'd produce work that had a familiar ring to it. And for many, he was Charlie Parker on tenor. Here's Stitt with trombone marvel JJ Johnson, & another present (yet under appreciated) at bop's creation, Howard McGhee:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xWjYMGI3DM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Jazz is good, people.

This morning: Mingus: Cornell '64, disc 2, has much good stuff of appeal even to one so extreme as Karn, but includes also a highly accessible, hell-swinging version of Jitterbug Waltz

and I've been on a Horace Parlan kick (piano on Mingus Ah Um), and listening to his own ensemble's engagement with Leon Mitchell's Oh So Blue which, if you are not deeply affected on listening thereto, I doubt your qualifications as human.

well, I'm sorry, but if you don't enjoy jazz I just feel for you, listening for the 1, millionth time to Dexter Gordon's GO!, and its time 1 friends

drsmooth wrote:Jazz is good, people.

This morning: Mingus: Cornell '64, disc 2, has much good stuff of appeal even to one so extreme as Karn, but includes also a highly accessible, hell-swinging version of Jitterbug Waltz

and I've been on a Horace Parlan kick (piano on Mingus Ah Um), and listening to his own ensemble's engagement with Leon Mitchell's Oh So Blue which, if you are not deeply affected on listening thereto, I doubt your qualifications as human.

Yes, I have the Mingus @ Cornell '64 double-CD. I dig a lot of Mingus at certain times.

Of late, I'm more in to solo piano, duets, accapella singing ...

I don't have a lot of Horace Parlan on his own, what's something you like a lot?

As a former jazz pianist, I've listened to a LOT of people at one time or another...

Wynton Kelly, Red Garland, Tommy Flanagan, Hank Jones, Bobby Timmons, Horace Silver, Cecil Taylor, Sonny Clark, Hassan, Bill Evans, Herbie, Chick, Ray Bryant, Hampton Hawes, Ahmad Jamaal, Denny Zeitlan, Lenny Tristano, Walter Davis, Walter Bishop, Kieth Jarret, Cedar Walton, Mal Waldron, Rand Weston, Barry Harris, Jaki Byard and of course McCoy Tyner my mainest man of all. I studied with Kenny Barron Jr. in '82 for a spell. In more recent times -- Kirk Lightsey, Harold Mabern Jr, Onaje Allen Gumbs, Mulgrew Miller, Brad Meldau, Uri Caine, Vijay Iyer, Geri Allen (a fave), Jame Willis, Cyrus Chestnut, Eddie Simon (knew him in Philly days), Orrin Evans (knew him in philly days) Rob Bargad (friend), Kenny Kirkland, Marcus Roberts, not to mention Adam Mackiewiecz, Tatum, Oscar, Phineas Newborn Jr. Herbie Nichols, on and on and on.... Tete Montilou, Martial Solal, and the most obscure legend of all, Philly migrant pianist Bernard Peiffer ...

If you got some tasty piano faves -- send em my way for eval! (I know I missed like 50 guys...)

If anyone doesn't know of it, Keith Jarret's Koln Concert is pretty awesome. DD Jackson's So Far is a pretty good album of solo piano music.

TenuredVulture wrote:If anyone doesn't know of it, Keith Jarret's Koln Concert is pretty awesome. DD Jackson's So Far is a pretty good album of solo piano music.

Better than Koln are the Sun Bear Sessions.

PtK,

I thought you, especially, might enjoy this Mingus essay. His writing style reminds me of yours. I'm not sure who that favors most, so I won't pretend that I do .

I have not read anything else by him, other than the odd liner note or quotation; he did write a not-very-favorably-received autobiography, among other things.

The tone of his essay is, to my eyes and ears, very much of a piece with his musical sensibility.

Oh, and, re: Parlan recordings, you may try a take or two from Up & Down

This cut from the session seems appropriate to post here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JBQflOZDOA[/youtube]

Speakin My Piece is also worth finding, if only for the cut titled Oh So Blue.

drsmooth wrote:PtK,

I thought you, especially, might enjoy this Mingus essay. His writing style reminds me of yours. I'm not sure who that favors most, so I won't pretend that I do .

I have not read anything else by him, other than the odd liner note or quotation; he did write a not-very-favorably-received autobiography, among other things.

The tone of his essay is, to my eyes and ears, very much of a piece with his musical sensibility.

Oh, and, re: Parlan recordings, you may try a take or two from Up & Down

This cut from the session seems appropriate to post here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JBQflOZDOA[/youtube]

Speakin My Piece is also worth finding, if only for the cut titled Oh So Blue.

Mingus was an interesting character. I don't see how my writing is like his at all but ok. Nice record I listened to all the clips... might pick it up... thnx

Kid,

I've been thinking of giving jazz another shot. I listened to it a little when I was younger but think I would appreciate it a lot more now.

Can you recommend a guy or two that I should check out that would be good for someone in my position (i.e., not one of the famous people that I've already heard)?