There is no convention format right now, they could literally do anything. Yes, they could bring in Trump supporters and talk to them. It's a wild idea. They could show that they're trying to reach out.

CalvinBall wrote:I think it's a weird idea that you think Biden sitting with a Trump supporters having a conversation would somehow be more helpful than a number of things they did of the past several nights.

It doesn't have to be Biden talking to Trumps supporters. It could be any Democratic elected official in a Trump territory talking to people in their area

They aren't going to vote for Biden. It's an absolute waste of resources and time.

If you thought John Legend and this story about stuttering were not moving well wait until this Trump supporter talks about QAnon for five minutes.

Democrats have the votes to win. It is about turnout. I really don't see how dedicating any bit of time to people who are never going to vote for your candidate helps drive turnout.

CalvinBall wrote:Democrats have the votes to win. It is about turnout. I really don't see how dedicating any bit of time to people who are never going to vote for your candidate helps drive turnout.

I guess, but how is a speech pandering to the base going to help? Anyone watching is going to vote.

The story about stuttering was moving for people already voting for Biden, but it's not a change for anyone else. It would be the same expense to have Mayor Bottoms talk to a couple Trump voters that are now on the fence and have it be part of the convention. I know they had former Trump voters speak but it has to be hammered home

The Dude wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Democrats have the votes to win. It is about turnout. I really don't see how dedicating any bit of time to people who are never going to vote for your candidate helps drive turnout.

I guess, but how is a speech pandering to the base going to help? Anyone watching is going to vote.

As Wolfgang just said, he's ready to go knock doors for Biden. I already spoke with a number of friends tonight who are all in their 30s who feel similarly. They weren't excited, now they are.

I got a pal to update his registration today. He's going to vote D even though he's and I who typically has voted R.

It is doing those kinds of things. If people are excited to have conversations and put in the work, that's how you win.

Right, that's anecdotal. I'm more concerned about actual people doing it widespread

jerseyhoya wrote:Bannon isn't going to speak at the RNC, jfc

I don't think he was ever scheduled to speak?

My source was momadance and he's infallible, so I don't know what you're talking about.

The Dude wrote:There is no convention format right now, they could literally do anything. Yes, they could bring in Trump supporters and talk to them. It's a wild idea. They could show that they're trying to reach out.

I like the idea, but that's an uncontrolled situation. One smart or well-coached panel member could do significant damage if he/she decided to attack and Biden didn't handle it well. You don't want some nobody to land a big blow on stage. It would be a rallying cry for those idiots.

But maybe there's another way to do it in a more controlled way. I don't know what that is, but I'm not getting paid to think about it. Somebody is though.

The Dude wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Democrats have the votes to win. It is about turnout. I really don't see how dedicating any bit of time to people who are never going to vote for your candidate helps drive turnout.

I guess, but how is a speech pandering to the base going to help? Anyone watching is going to vote.

It helps if the person is like Moz and he goes and organizes a million voters, as he suggested.

Get right on that, Moz, plz. Our nation needs you.

USPS instructed Plants not to reconnect High speed sorting machines that were removed. The only reason I could think of for that instruction is that things would need to be carefully put back in the process by company technicians. Of course someone pointed out that the machines were yanked out without much regard, so there could be damage to these. CNN story points out that Dallas tried to reinstall four machines, but there were parts that have gone missing. Reasoning does not seem to be provided for this edict.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics ... index.html

I guess in the end to DeJoy said that he would not take any further actions, but maybe he didn’t extend that to the point of undoing the acts already committed.

thephan wrote:USPS instructed Plants not to reconnect High speed sorting machines that were removed. The only reason I could think of for that instruction is that things would need to be carefully put back in the process by company technicians. Of course someone pointed out that the machines were yanked out without much regard, so there could be damage to these. CNN story points out that Dallas tried to reinstall four machines, but there were parts that have gone missing. Reasoning does not seem to be provided for this edict.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics ... index.html

I guess in the end to DeJoy said that he would not take any further actions, but maybe he didn’t extend that to the point of undoing the acts already committed.

That is precisely what DeJoy meant imo.

slugsrbad wrote:https://twitter.com/phil_lewis_/status/1296637756303605760?s=21

More courage and grace than the entire GOP put together.

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Bannon isn't going to speak at the RNC, jfc

I don't think he was ever scheduled to speak?

My source was momadance and he's infallible, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Mine was Al Franken lol

I think there's some decent discussion back and forth there between Dude and Cal - as someone who was chastising the Dems a bit for Kasich, Molinari, etc. I think I'd like to expand a bit on that. I guess there were two schools of thought here - you bring some Republicans on and try to show that they're Biden supporters, or you ignore them altogether and keep it 100% Dem all the time. I guess they found the right balance, because to me it was a pretty well put together convention all things considered. I am not sure I understand trying to "speak to Trump supporters" and show that or do that through speeches, because as Cal said that seems like a bit of a waste.

Probably anecdotal as well but I had C-SPAN on after the speech and they were doing the call-ins. Three Republicans called in during the time I had it on, all had nothing but nice things to say, but two said they're supporting Trump and the other lady just said she had to do more research. They all agreed it was a good speech, but they're still Trump supporters. So you can't spend too much time pandering to these people, because many are beyond reproach and even the good eggs are still pushing the lever for Donald. There were a few Ds who did call in and say they were more excited than they had been previously, so it seems like the speech and convention on the whole did its job from what I'm hearing and reading so far.

The Dude wrote:There is no convention format right now, they could literally do anything. Yes, they could bring in Trump supporters and talk to them. It's a wild idea. They could show that they're trying to reach out.

The problem with this idea is that if it is a love, genuine conversation with back-and-forth, it has all kinds of opportunities to go south on live TV, which is not what you need, and if it is pre-recorded or scripted, it will likely come across as a dog and pony show that has the potential to annoy both the right AND the left.

Having said that, there is merit in the idea of recording a bunch of those kinds of events over time and then picking the best one to air as part of a purchased block of time for the Campaign on network TV.

CalvinBall wrote:Democrats have the votes to win. It is about turnout. I really don't see how dedicating any bit of time to people who are never going to vote for your candidate helps drive turnout.

It’s the siren song of electoral math: turn out one of your supporters who tends not to turn out, you gain a vote. Convert one of the other guy’s voters, it’s a net gain of two votes.