Black Lives F*ing Matter, Jesus F*ing Christ (civil rights)

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 09:32:17

Police brutality has been a catalyst that has broadened out to include what is called "systemic racism". But it seems to me there's a real elephant in the room here. It's easy to be opposed to police brutality, and it's easy to take down some statues. Sentencing reform? Legalizing marijuana? The elimination of cash bail? All good. Reduce funding of police departments and shift that money to places where it can make people's lives better? Absolutely.

But deeply connected to all this is how schools remain, and in many cases becoming more segregated, and how this is almost all a product of choices white people are making. It isn't some remnant of past history, it's driven by active choices made by parents every day. And even the most minimal efforts to address this problem--something like busing or simply consolidating school districts for example--is going to drive people ape shit.

by **momadance** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 11:18:47

New York City started to paint a sprawling "Black Lives Matter" mural on Fifth Avenue directly in front of Trump Tower Thursday, picking up a delayed project that President Donald Trump has blasted as a "symbol of hate."

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:06:28

I saw that some group filed a lawsuit saying that the BLM painting of the street in DC was a form of speech and that other groups should also be allowed to paint the street. I could see this becoming a problem. Next we'll have advertisers buying up street space to sell their products. Businesses are people and so they also should get the street speech.

by **PSUsarge** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:50:22

Malik Jackson just used the phrase “the honorable Farrakhan” on IG

by **CalvinBall** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:52:52

PSUsarge wrote:Malik Jackson just used the phrase “the honorable Farrakhan” on IG

not sure this has to do with BLM?

by **Uncle Milty** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:58:28

Do we need a JLM thread?

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 13:41:26

TenuredVulture wrote:Police brutality has been a catalyst that has broadened out to include what is called "systemic racism". But it seems to me there's a real elephant in the room here. It's easy to be opposed to police brutality, and it's easy to take down some statues. Sentencing reform? Legalizing marijuana? The elimination of cash bail? All good. Reduce funding of police departments and shift that money to places where it can make people's lives better? Absolutely.

But deeply connected to all this is how schools remain, and in many cases becoming more segregated, and how this is almost all a product of choices white people are making. It isn't some remnant of past history, it's driven by active choices made by parents every day. And even the most minimal efforts to address this problem--something like busing or simply consolidating school districts for example--is going to drive people ape shit.

You want to find out how liberal white college educated suburbanites really are? Tell them you are opening up section 8 housing in their school district and watch the tortured attempts to sound compassionate but still stick to deeply classist and racist concepts in news camera interviews and during the public comment sections of board meetings, followed by the mass exodus if they lose.

by **momadance** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 13:43:18

"Go mow your lawn."

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/stat ... 5963021312

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 13:45:26

Or that we are going to centralize state education funding, or better still, federalize it, so funding models can truly follow equity and equality, and their fancy homes in fancy neighborhoods and subdivisions are not a commensurate purchase of a tuition to an effectively private “public” school.

Looking at you New Hope Solebury and Council Rock.

by **PSUsarge** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 13:47:07

CalvinBall wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:Malik Jackson just used the phrase “the honorable Farrakhan” on IG

not sure this has to do with BLM?

my bad thought this thread was about social injustice and racism

by **Augustus** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 14:28:16

What is the difference between Malik Jackson supporting Farrakhan and a white player supporting Trump? Honest question.

by **PSUsarge** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 14:43:57

Augustus wrote:What is the difference between Malik Jackson supporting Farrakhan and a white player supporting Trump? Honest question.

Start here - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Farrakhan

And for the record I can’t stand Trump.

by **azrider** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 14:46:11

this is david duke level shit, not trump.

https://www.adl.org/education/resources/reports/nation-of-islam-farrakhan-in-his-own-words

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 15:00:19

Augustus wrote:What is the difference between Malik Jackson supporting Farrakhan and a white player supporting Trump? Honest question.

Farrakhan isn't President, and isn't going to be President, and doesn't want to be President.

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 15:02:23

Wolfgang622 wrote:Or that we are going to centralize state education funding, or better still, federalize it, so funding models can truly follow equity and equality, and their fancy homes in fancy neighborhoods and subdivisions are not a commensurate purchase of a tuition to an effectively private “public” school.

Looking at you New Hope Solebury and Council Rock.

This is such a no-brainer if you really care about equity and equality. But it's really about a lot more than funding.

by **Bill McNeal** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 15:04:04

And knowing a lot of folks in New Hope Solebury this hits the nail so far on the head.

by **Augustus** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 15:18:30

I know all about Farrakhan and find him vile. Supporting him is extremely problematic. Antisemitism is a huge problem in this country. Malik Jackson should be dragged for amplifying him.

However, Trump also has a record of horribly bigoted rhetoric, and as TV pointed out, can actually make policy and has a much larger platform than Farrakhan. Trump has put children in cages. Trump has banned people from the country based upon religion. There have been dozens of Trump-inspired violent incidents across the country.

If white players, coaches, and owners can support Trump without the threat of being cut, fired, or forced to sell their teams, I don't think it's fair to say Malik Jackson should be cut.

by **thephan** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 15:23:28

TenuredVulture wrote:But deeply connected to all this is how schools remain, and in many cases becoming more segregated, and how this is almost all a product of choices white people are making. It isn't some remnant of past history, it's driven by active choices made by parents every day. And even the most minimal efforts to address this problem--something like busing or simply consolidating school districts for example--is going to drive people ape #$!&@.

Virginia has county wide school districts, but that does little to nothing to deal with integration. The rich folks live in some parts, and the poor folks in others. Now any student can go, aside from the academic academies, to any other school with an application, but I do not think there is much movement. I can think of 4 cases (1. parent of a broken home is a teacher at a different elementary school, 2. they shuttered a football program with 2 other high Schools near by, 3. a kid is in JROTC which meets at a school 30+ minutes from his "natural" high school with the program near where his mother works and 4. a student who;s family moved to Baltimore in his senior year and he somehow graduated from the high school they left behind). I do not know a single kid coming across the urban moat (a secondary highway that has not a single cross walk from the poor neighborhood to the wealthy side of the road). This divide is not purely race driven, but it is a lot whiter in the north side of the road and a lot more Hispanic on the south side which is absolutely drive by wealth.

Also, there is no busing between schools of choice, so that tamps down the reality of picking an alternate school.

by **thephan** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 15:26:58

I tried to force an NOI member to sell me a bean pie in Baltimore after an O's game. I mean the guys were selling in the parking lot so I figured that they were open for business. I got no pie out of the transaction.

by **PSUsarge** » Thu Jul 09, 2020 16:36:24

Augustus wrote:I know all about Farrakhan and find him vile. Supporting him is extremely problematic. Antisemitism is a huge problem in this country. Malik Jackson should be dragged for amplifying him.

However, Trump also has a record of horribly bigoted rhetoric, and as TV pointed out, can actually make policy and has a much larger platform than Farrakhan. Trump has put children in cages. Trump has banned people from the country based upon religion. There have been dozens of Trump-inspired violent incidents across the country.

If white players, coaches, and owners can support Trump without the threat of being cut, fired, or forced to sell their teams, I don't think it's fair to say Malik Jackson should be cut.

I actually think everything you cite here about Trump is the exact reason this is so problematic. At some point these things cannot be normalized anymore. Precedent should not be everything.

Unfortunately Donald Trump is President, but fortunately Louis Ferrakhan is not. This is an opportunity to draw a line in the sand. If this passes without much consequence, especially when it's apparent that not many players are willing to speak out against it, it's seen as acceptable.

“Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one--the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts" - CS Lewis

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