Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby joe table » Wed May 20, 2020 13:40:01

Why do cons hate mail in ballots? What is the partisan concern there? Legitimate question

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby pacino » Wed May 20, 2020 13:41:03

That more people may vote

Even then there is no evidence that mail in ballots favor either party...at least they didn't until the recent attack on them.
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby JUburton » Wed May 20, 2020 13:43:58

pacino wrote:That more people may vote

Even then there is no evidence that mail in ballots favor either party...at least they didn't until the recent attack on them.

when has data mattered to them tho

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby td11 » Wed May 20, 2020 13:57:37

JUburton wrote:
pacino wrote:That more people may vote

Even then there is no evidence that mail in ballots favor either party...at least they didn't until the recent attack on them.

when has data mattered to them tho

When they used stolen data to microtarget voters using Cambridge Analytica to win the 2016 election
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Werthless » Wed May 20, 2020 14:04:36

CalvinBall wrote:Asked what I thought was a pretty decent question on Facebook regarding one of the State Senate candidates running in Chester County. And then these are the replies I got from his two buddies/ (only?) campaign staffers. All three of these people (Don, who is the candidate, and person 1 and person 2) work for the current state senator, Andy Dinniman. Andy voted to reopen the state. He voted for all the republican bills. Don's entire campaign has been basically Andy endorsed me so vote for me. If you cannot answer pretty basic questions then sheesh.

Me: Genuinely curious what Don's position is regarding the reopening and if it is different from the current office he is working in? Would he have voted for all of those house bills without amendments?

Person 1: The point here is Don Vymazal has vastly more experience than anyone in this race. It seems like you don't want to talk about that. Don has the endorsement of the local Chester County Democratic Committee (and dozens of community leaders). Don Vymazal is not beholden to Harrisburg or to the Governor and won't blindly side with the administration at every opportunity. That seems to be what Rep. Comitta is doing (i.e. Mariner East and Restore Pa.) and will keep doing if elected. Governor Wolf is only going to be around for 2 more years anyway.

Note: Don does not in fact have vastly more experience. He has never been an elected anything while the other two have.

Person 2: Let's get real for a minute here. I'm gonna be real honest with you. I support the Chester County Democratic Committee's endorsed candidates. If you can't or won't do that, what's the point? I can only imagine what your response would be if the shoe was on the other foot. If Rep. Comitta or Sen. Kearney had an unendorsed primary challenger that was running for two seats. What would you say then? What then?

Whoa, what ridiculous responses. Those 2 jokers need to get off Twitter and remind themselves how to interact with people.

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby thephan » Wed May 20, 2020 14:06:14

I don't remember putting this out here, and I don't know if it has made the national circuit, but Trump is going a little crazy crowing about second amendment rights in Virginia in the most bizarre way I can imagine. he warned Virginia farmers that the governor and state legislature are making moves around gun control that will leave their potatoes defenseless. I guess there's something I need to learn about my adopted home in that we are big in the potatoes game.

The governor fired back the Trump needs to ease off of the hydroxychloroquine
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby The Dude » Wed May 20, 2020 14:06:18

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby The Sarge » Wed May 20, 2020 14:06:29

pacino wrote:That more people may vote

Even then there is no evidence that mail in ballots favor either party...at least they didn't until the recent attack on them.



Haven't Utah, Colorado and Oregon used mail in ballots for years? If there was evidence of voter fraud with mail in ballots, wouldn't it have appeared by now in Utah, Colorado and Oregon?
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Werthless » Wed May 20, 2020 14:09:42

joe table wrote:Why do cons hate mail in ballots? What is the partisan concern there? Legitimate question

Emotion based decisionmaking is a character of conservative opinion on ballot access issues. Fear of even 1 person voting that shouldn't. The data on fraud doesn't inform the policy... it's the possibility of fraud. It may not be data-based, and I don't think it is here. That said, if the GOP thought they'd benefit from it, I'm guessing they'd get over that fear.

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Augustus » Wed May 20, 2020 14:12:04

CalvinBall wrote:Asked what I thought was a pretty decent question on Facebook regarding one of the State Senate candidates running in Chester County. And then these are the replies I got from his two buddies/ (only?) campaign staffers. All three of these people (Don, who is the candidate, and person 1 and person 2) work for the current state senator, Andy Dinniman. Andy voted to reopen the state. He voted for all the republican bills. Don's entire campaign has been basically Andy endorsed me so vote for me. If you cannot answer pretty basic questions then sheesh.

Me: Genuinely curious what Don's position is regarding the reopening and if it is different from the current office he is working in? Would he have voted for all of those house bills without amendments?

Person 1: The point here is Don Vymazal has vastly more experience than anyone in this race. It seems like you don't want to talk about that. Don has the endorsement of the local Chester County Democratic Committee (and dozens of community leaders). Don Vymazal is not beholden to Harrisburg or to the Governor and won't blindly side with the administration at every opportunity. That seems to be what Rep. Comitta is doing (i.e. Mariner East and Restore Pa.) and will keep doing if elected. Governor Wolf is only going to be around for 2 more years anyway.

Note: Don does not in fact have vastly more experience. He has never been an elected anything while the other two have.

Person 2: Let's get real for a minute here. I'm gonna be real honest with you. I support the Chester County Democratic Committee's endorsed candidates. If you can't or won't do that, what's the point? I can only imagine what your response would be if the shoe was on the other foot. If Rep. Comitta or Sen. Kearney had an unendorsed primary challenger that was running for two seats. What would you say then? What then?


This is very helpful information. You have any insight on Howard vs. Kerslake in the 167th?
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby traderdave » Wed May 20, 2020 14:14:45

Eem wrote:What the hell even is Obamagate


The term "OBAMAGATE" is the Trump equivalent of yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater without even a puff of smoke present. It is a distraction from the utter failure of this administration. These guys are masters at throwing shit out there without any proof of anything. Remember all that Biden/Obama dirt Rudy released from his crack investigation in the Ukraine? Yeah, me neither.

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Bucky » Wed May 20, 2020 14:17:59

i don't think the phobia about mail ballots is actually any phobia at all. in fact, i'm pretty sure they don't want it revoked. just laying the groundwork for crying foul should/when orangeman lose in november.

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Bucky » Wed May 20, 2020 14:22:36

traderdave wrote:
Eem wrote:What the hell even is Obamagate


The term "OBAMAGATE" is the Trump equivalent of yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater without even a puff of smoke present. It is a distraction from the utter failure of this administration. These guys are masters at throwing #$!&@ out there without any proof of anything. Remember all that Biden/Obama dirt Rudy released from his crack investigation in the Ukraine? Yeah, me neither.



you did see that just today some senate committee voted along party lines to subpoena records from the ukraine company that hunter biden worked for right? smokescreen keeps rollin' along

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed May 20, 2020 14:22:40

Howard is who I would vote for. I think she struggled a bit initially to figure out her new job last spring, but has been much better. Ginny is part of the anti pipeline group which is incredibly online. Howard has spent a lot of her adult life advocating for many groups, while Ginny only got involved when Mariner East went through her backyard. It's basically her only platform position. No one is pro pipeline either, despite what they all would say. ME2 is bad.

Ginny ran for county commissioner last year too and finished fourth out of four candidates in the primary. Kristine was able to win a republican held seat in 2018.

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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Wed May 20, 2020 15:11:44

joe table wrote:Why do cons hate mail in ballots? What is the partisan concern there? Legitimate question

Their real concern is losing. While mail-in ballots may not favor either party making voting difficult does, imo.

Fear of fraud, ballot harvesting and STOLEN ELECTIONS is the vehicle. Like Werthless replied they only need promote the possibility to gain support.

I guess that part makes sense to me. Conservatives I'm stuck with in my life have stated they'd rather keep every innocent person in prison than release one person who's guilty. Well, until the justice system impacts someone like Flynn. Then heads need to roll.
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby thephan » Wed May 20, 2020 15:28:16

and never forget the unnatural hatred of the USPS
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby pacino » Wed May 20, 2020 16:00:08

The Sarge wrote:
pacino wrote:That more people may vote

Even then there is no evidence that mail in ballots favor either party...at least they didn't until the recent attack on them.



Haven't Utah, Colorado and Oregon used mail in ballots for years? If there was evidence of voter fraud with mail in ballots, wouldn't it have appeared by now in Utah, Colorado and Oregon?

yes
yes
the answer is inevitably a diversion or not believing that there's not fraud


the military has also done it this way for years with little issue.
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby pacino » Wed May 20, 2020 16:02:12

Uncle Milty wrote:
joe table wrote:Why do cons hate mail in ballots? What is the partisan concern there? Legitimate question

Their real concern is losing. While mail-in ballots may not favor either party making voting difficult does, imo.

Fear of fraud, ballot harvesting and STOLEN ELECTIONS is the vehicle. Like Werthless replied they only need promote the possibility to gain support.

I guess that part makes sense to me. Conservatives I'm stuck with in my life have stated they'd rather keep every innocent person in prison than release one person who's guilty. Well, until the justice system impacts someone like Flynn. Then heads need to roll.

the 'funny' thing the only recent instance of ballot harvesting becoming an issue has been during a Republican primary in North Carolina and a Democratic primary in Texas
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Wed May 20, 2020 16:05:14

pacino wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:
joe table wrote:Why do cons hate mail in ballots? What is the partisan concern there? Legitimate question

Their real concern is losing. While mail-in ballots may not favor either party making voting difficult does, imo.

Fear of fraud, ballot harvesting and STOLEN ELECTIONS is the vehicle. Like Werthless replied they only need promote the possibility to gain support.

I guess that part makes sense to me. Conservatives I'm stuck with in my life have stated they'd rather keep every innocent person in prison than release one person who's guilty. Well, until the justice system impacts someone like Flynn. Then heads need to roll.

the 'funny' thing the only recent instance of ballot harvesting becoming an issue has been during a Republican primary

Yup. Brought that up in my argument discussion with someone yesterday. Scored no points with it tho because the goalpost evidently moved while I was speaking.
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Re: Politics Thread: Trump Centers His Fauci

Unread postby pacino » Wed May 20, 2020 16:06:04

Uncle Milty wrote:
pacino wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:
joe table wrote:Why do cons hate mail in ballots? What is the partisan concern there? Legitimate question

Their real concern is losing. While mail-in ballots may not favor either party making voting difficult does, imo.

Fear of fraud, ballot harvesting and STOLEN ELECTIONS is the vehicle. Like Werthless replied they only need promote the possibility to gain support.

I guess that part makes sense to me. Conservatives I'm stuck with in my life have stated they'd rather keep every innocent person in prison than release one person who's guilty. Well, until the justice system impacts someone like Flynn. Then heads need to roll.

the 'funny' thing the only recent instance of ballot harvesting becoming an issue has been during a Republican primary

Yup. Brought that up in my argument discussion with someone yesterday. Scored no points with it tho because the goalpost evidently moved while I was speaking.

hate when that happens
why didn't you respond to the point he wasn't making
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