Yeah can’t see it, he seems sick of playing president anyway. Him and his dirtbag kids will move onto some other grift (tv station?) and he’ll be normalized in a few years by centrists when the next psycho comes along

06hawkalum wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:This is all setting up for Trump making a major move this summer or fall, like a Turkey level move to consolidate power and crush what's left of real democracy. The guy is going to jail if he doesn't win this fall and there's no way he's going to risk going to jail. I hate to sound paranoid, but it's coming. He's already got his people ready to hit the streets with guns and a willingness to murder (see quotes above) and the rest of us will want to avoid hitting the streets with the virus and murderous rednecks running around.

We really are fucked. The pot is already boiling and we're the frogs. I think it's already too late.

You are being paranoid. That kind of power grab would require changes to our constitution. That's a non-starter with the Dems controlling the House.

How long will people keep underestimating what Trump is willing to do? There is no line he won't cross and there are plenty of tiny idiosyncrasies about our govt and the way the laws run. They only need to find some loophole that they can get to the SCOTUS and he'll get what he wants. It's doesn't need to be grandiose to accomplish something terrible. Our govt has run for centuries at least in part on the relative goodwill of those running it. Lots of things can be done that have never been done because people had the best interest of the nation at heart. The people there now don't have that best interest. This is going to get a lot worse.

Augustus wrote:Yeah can’t see it, he seems sick of playing president anyway. Him and his dirtbag kids will move onto some other grift (tv station?) and he’ll be normalized in a few years by centrists when the next psycho comes along

What about those charges hanging over him in NY? Nothing has been filed because they know they can't touch him when he's POTUS. Those charges are coming and I can't see him risking it. Maybe he'll be unsuccessful, but he will try to do something awful. To think otherwise seems crazy to me given his actions so far. Allowing Flynn off the hook is just the water getting another degree hotter. It's not going to stop there, if for no other reason that this strain of the GOP is hungry for complete power.

I agree he is sick of being president. He wants to be king.

It's pretty out there, man. He wants to be but it's just not going to happen. I mean he very will might pardon himself of any crimes past present or future if he can do that but he's gone if he loses the election.

Monkeyboy wrote:

Augustus wrote:Yeah can’t see it, he seems sick of playing president anyway. Him and his dirtbag kids will move onto some other grift (tv station?) and he’ll be normalized in a few years by centrists when the next psycho comes along

What about those charges hanging over him in NY? Nothing has been filed because they know they can't touch him when he's POTUS. Those charges are coming and I can't see him risking it. Maybe he'll be unsuccessful, but he will try to do something awful. To think otherwise seems crazy to me given his actions so far. Allowing Flynn off the hook is just the water getting another degree hotter. It's not going to stop there, if for no other reason that this strain of the GOP is hungry for complete power.

I agree he is sick of being president. He wants to be king.

The guy is old and his team of lawyers will keep him out of prison until he dies. Also, I am sure faced with the alternative New York will drop all charges if he goes peacefully. Really though, the guy cannot continue serving as POTUS past 1/2021 without being validly re-elected. Also, he is capped at two terms, so those charges will be waiting for him in 2025 even if he wins. It would be better for his attorneys to hammer out a deal now, while he still has leverage, than when he is lame duck.

I am sure that you recognize that you are a pessimistic person. Your posts often reflect a fairly cynical/negative outlook on life.

JUburton wrote:It's pretty out there, man. He wants to be but it's just not going to happen. I mean he very will might pardon himself of any crimes past present or future if he can do that but he's gone if he loses the election.

I agree he's gone if he loses. The question is what will he do to make sure he doesn't lose.

I'm honestly surprised people have watched him over the past 4 years and think he won't do everything, legal or illegal, to make sure he gets what he wants.

Monkeyboy wrote:

JUburton wrote:It's pretty out there, man. He wants to be but it's just not going to happen. I mean he very will might pardon himself of any crimes past present or future if he can do that but he's gone if he loses the election.

I agree he's gone if he loses. The question is what will he do to make sure he doesn't lose.

I'm honestly surprised people have watched him over the past 4 years and think he won't do everything, legal or illegal, to make sure he gets what he wants.

Oh, I don't doubt that he will try to steal the election. However, I am far from convinced that he will be successful.

Wolfgang622 wrote:I think the Dems are caught in a disastrous cycle now. The social distancing has worked well enough that the most catastrophic death toll numbers will never come to pass. So from the moment the lockdown ends, until the election, the death toll will grow slowly. The longer that period is, the more people will convince themselves not that the lockdown saved lives, but was in fact totally unnecessary.

Its success is its failure.

States rights... We should be allowing states to react given changes in their risk profile. The system is working!

Werthless wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:I think the Dems are caught in a disastrous cycle now. The social distancing has worked well enough that the most catastrophic death toll numbers will never come to pass. So from the moment the lockdown ends, until the election, the death toll will grow slowly. The longer that period is, the more people will convince themselves not that the lockdown saved lives, but was in fact totally unnecessary.

Its success is its failure.

States rights... We should be allowing states to react given changes in their risk profile. The system is working!

Get back to us in a month.

Argument from Rs is that we should trust locally elected people (who aren't politicians, just people who care about their communities) to make decisions about reopening. Same Rs have said just recently that the same local municipalities should not be allowed to enact environmental protection measures or raise their own minimum wage.

Which is it?

CalvinBall wrote:Argument from Rs is that we should trust locally elected people (who aren't politicians, just people who care about their communities) to make decisions about reopening. Same Rs have said just recently that the same local municipalities should not be allowed to enact environmental protection measures or raise their own minimum wage.

Which is it?

Looking suspiciously like R's believe that you should listen to authority/follow rules when they're convenient and in line with what they want and that you shouldn't when they're not.

MFP wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Argument from Rs is that we should trust locally elected people (who aren't politicians, just people who care about their communities) to make decisions about reopening. Same Rs have said just recently that the same local municipalities should not be allowed to enact environmental protection measures or raise their own minimum wage.

Which is it?

Looking suspiciously like R's believe that you should listen to authority/follow rules when they're convenient and in line with what they want and that you shouldn't when they're not.

Big if true!

Werthless wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:I think the Dems are caught in a disastrous cycle now. The social distancing has worked well enough that the most catastrophic death toll numbers will never come to pass. So from the moment the lockdown ends, until the election, the death toll will grow slowly. The longer that period is, the more people will convince themselves not that the lockdown saved lives, but was in fact totally unnecessary.

Its success is its failure.

States rights... We should be allowing states to react given changes in their risk profile. The system is working!

Which states have actually reacted to changes in their risk?

Uncle Milty wrote:

MFP wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Argument from Rs is that we should trust locally elected people (who aren't politicians, just people who care about their communities) to make decisions about reopening. Same Rs have said just recently that the same local municipalities should not be allowed to enact environmental protection measures or raise their own minimum wage.

Which is it?

Looking suspiciously like R's believe that you should listen to authority/follow rules when they're convenient and in line with what they want and that you shouldn't when they're not.

Big if true!

“Bigly,” even.

Nathan Silver declared he “will not submit to their cultural Marxism.”

“I refuse to wear one,” wrote Rich T. Tyra II. “They cause more problems than they prevent and its a sign of being silenced and submission and its training for the forced vaccinations.”

Just pure Michigan

It’s not helping that the 60 Minutes interview with Fauci saying masks are dumb is being circulated now

nasty question!

Really wish the "legitimate" outlets would just stop showing up.

Bill McNeal wrote: nasty question!

“Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight.”

To be fair that question's premise was kind of dumb. Is being sanguine or uncompetitive about how much testing is being done going to result in fewer deaths? What is the point of that question?

His answer of course was typical racist xenophobic Trump but that question kind of aggravates me tbh. It sucks.