The Savior wrote:Given the lack of live programming, why aren’t the Dems getting airtime to essentially provide its perspective on all of this?

Is it necessary given the other side?

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
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Reuters' Jeff Mason: What metrics will you use when making the decision to re-open the economy?

Trump (pointing to his head): "The metrics right here. That's my metrics. That's all I can do."

Yes it’s necessary

Organizing Dems is like herding cats. Has always been that way and probably always will be.

i don't think any of us are disagreeing too strongly. There is just too much unknown info, bad info, etc., for any of us to have a strong preference/plan or timeline

Monkeyboy wrote:

CFP wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:If the Twitter sentiment breaks out the country is in trouble.

what is the twitter sentiment?

Imagine anything a Russian bot could come up with then spread it thru angry Bernie supporters. It comes across like 9 of 10 Sanders voters are actively campaigning against Biden. Pacino is definitely the exception I encountered yesterday.

I meant the country is in trouble because they'll help Trump get reelected. The Fed and their SPVs don't need any help making it an uphill battle.

If you went on Twitter you'd think Sanders would have won the nomination going away and would beat Trump by 30. Biden voters aren't on Twitter. I don't see that sentiment breaking out because it's already been proved that it didn't as Biden is the nominee.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Sanders supporters will come to Biden when the time comes. I'm also not convinced there are many people out there doing that twitter stuff. Many are probably bots and many probably would have stayed home regardless. Russia and Trump have everything to gain by trying to divide the left, but we're going to pull together. The bots will do their thing.

The clearest sign that Biden will have less trouble with Sanders supporters than Hillary had is that there are very clearly many fewer Bernie supporters in 2020 than there were in 2016. Turns out a good portion of what he had in the 16 primary was a never Hillary bump. Even among Democrats, Biden does not inspire the same vitriol.

I say this as someone who voted twice for Hillary in 2016 and who will vote for Bernie in 2020, if I ever get to vote in a PA primary, for the hell of it.

The Dude wrote:i don't think any of us are disagreeing too strongly. There is just too much unknown info, bad info, etc., for any of us to have a strong preference/plan or timeline

Right, there's not really an opposition viewpoint, since the conviction that you'd really rather have a a group of science-trusting, caring, competent and slightly less self-interested people heading up the crisis is the main point now , and that's a little too nuanced a message to get across easily, though I think the democratic governors have been doing a pretty good job with the time they've been allotted. To speak out about specific policy initiatives now with and uncertain and ever-changing problem facing you could easily backfire. The point now is not "we should be doing this" but having people who can react well to whatever left turn this takes in the future. anything decoared now could well turn out to be made irrelevant or foolhardy very quickly.Much like opening the economy by Easter.

I did not want Biden, he was maybe my last choice of the realistic contenders. But I am cautiously impressed with his strategy -- ok, this is probably not intentional but still -- of basically standing in his corner while Trump stumbles around the ring punching himself.

Anything Biden says publicly, the GOP and much of the national media will immediately erupt with critiques of all kinds: why is he only saying this now, isn't he contradicting something he said earlier, is he feeling OK, he looks and sounds sick, Bernie supporters must be furious, etc. Fuck all that...get on record with very vanilla concepts for what should be done and sit back while Trump fails.

There was a Slate column the other day that pretty much said maybe this is exactly what the public needs -- a well known, generally liked candidate who doesn't challenge or threaten voters in any way.

But I still expect him to screw it all up eventually by doing things like letting Bloomberg run the campaign, some Joe Lieberman type for VP and promises to stack the cabinet with Republicans.

IMO, the key to Nov. 3 will be a widespread "desperation vote" by people who are absolutely fed up with Trump. There was no such contingent in 2016, nor in 2004 with Bush or 2012 with Obama for that matter.

swishnicholson wrote:

The Dude wrote:i don't think any of us are disagreeing too strongly. There is just too much unknown info, bad info, etc., for any of us to have a strong preference/plan or timeline

Right, there's not really an opposition viewpoint, since the conviction that you'd really rather have a a group of science-trusting, caring, competent and slightly less self-interested people heading up the crisis is the main point now , and that's a little too nuanced a message to get across easily, though I think the democratic governors have been doing a pretty good job with the time they've been allotted. To speak out about specific policy initiatives now with and uncertain and ever-changing problem facing you could easily backfire. The point now is not "we should be doing this" but having people who can react well to whatever left turn this takes in the future. anything decoared now could well turn out to be made irrelevant or foolhardy very quickly.Much like opening the economy by Easter.

great post.

The B1G Piece wrote:

The Savior wrote:Given the lack of live programming, why aren’t the Dems getting airtime to essentially provide its perspective on all of this?

Is it necessary given the other side?

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
47m
Reuters' Jeff Mason: What metrics will you use when making the decision to re-open the economy?

Trump (pointing to his head): "The metrics right here. That's my metrics. That's all I can do."

One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

Biden's provided nearly perfect answers on the coronavirus, for me at least, mainly with a chorus of "listen to the experts". It's exactly what I expect he'd do as president and isn't that what we all really want right now?

I think that's also a glimpse into this presidency. Don't understand where "stack the cabinet with republicans" originates. I expect he'll surround himself with competent professionals who's advice he'll seek and consider.

I think the appeal of a generic democrat is underestimated. I guess you can consider "non-threatening" part of that appeal.

Biden has general election advantages over every other democratic candidate, starting with his appeal to African Americans. It's pretty clear they'll show up and support Biden overwhelmingly. Biden also puts important states more in play than the other candidates.

traderdave wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

The Savior wrote:Given the lack of live programming, why aren’t the Dems getting airtime to essentially provide its perspective on all of this?

Is it necessary given the other side?

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
47m
Reuters' Jeff Mason: What metrics will you use when making the decision to re-open the economy?

Trump (pointing to his head): "The metrics right here. That's my metrics. That's all I can do."

One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

"But the greatest challenge in this world is knowing nothing about a subject and thinking you're right"- Neil deGrasse Tyson (probably)

I think Neil deGrasse Tyson's biggest challenge would be to cease being a pompous ass at all times.

or responding to all those sex assault accusations

I once saw Neil deGrasse Tyson in a museum in Santorini, Greece. He was standing there talking to some people about how Santorini may have been the mythical Atlantis, the huge number of ingots used as weighing stones that indicated there was vast wealth and trade in Santorini when the volcano erupted and sank much of the island, and its connection to civilization on Crete. My wife and pretended to look at a section of pottery for much too long so we could listen to his conversation.

/confessions of a stalker

I often get him and Derek Pitts confused

Bucky wrote:

traderdave wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:

The Savior wrote:Given the lack of live programming, why aren’t the Dems getting airtime to essentially provide its perspective on all of this?

Is it necessary given the other side?

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
47m
Reuters' Jeff Mason: What metrics will you use when making the decision to re-open the economy?

Trump (pointing to his head): "The metrics right here. That's my metrics. That's all I can do."

One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

"But the greatest challenge in this world is knowing nothing about a subject and thinking you're right"- Neil deGrasse Tyson (probably)

Thanks, Bucky. Still, regardless of who said it first, it applies to Trump one thousand fold.

(I made that up)

The Savior wrote:Barr getting COVID and dying would be great.

Really? Is this where we're at now?

Ever read Lord of the flies? We've been there for weeks. All you do need to do is go to a grocery store. Understand where we're at.

"I want to get the medical supply chain back in the United States, and I want to start canceling some debt that we owe to China, because they should be paying us, not us paying China,"

said Lindsey Graham on the Fox News

Wow, welcome to the crazy town level up