You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Mar 30, 2020 17:01:07

traderdave wrote:Rep. Mark Meadows will resign from Congress on Monday as he prepares to officially become White House chief of staff, an aide to the North Carolina congressman told CNN. Meadows' resignation is expected to be effective at 5 p.m. ET, the aide said.

The payment for his work during the impeachment hearings is now complete.



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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby PhillieMooDo » Mon Mar 30, 2020 17:50:30

thephan wrote:Is it just the coverage or is Trump more aggressive with black women then other gender/races?

Well he's really racist and misogynistic, so...
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby momadance » Mon Mar 30, 2020 17:55:55

At least he blew off the dumb abortion question.

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:40:11

the next major lie brewing on the right is that the number of deaths isn't accurate and what even is a covid death anyway?

it will probably get to trump himself
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:59:16

That sort of denial/lie is perfect for the right. I imagine we’re going to hear it bigly and strongly in the months ahead.
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:59:38

Amazon fired the worker who organized the protests around their lack of safety by claiming he violated safety standards
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby Grotewold » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:00:13

pacino wrote:Amazon fired the worker who organized the protests around their lack of safety by claiming he violated safety standards


they should set up a Venmo

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby MoBettle » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:03:33

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronav ... 00331.html

Related, inquirer article predicting Russians Bots use corona misinformation in 2020 like they used anti-vaxxing in 2016.
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 13:41:31

yawn

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Tue Mar 31, 2020 13:42:13

its a fucking campaign rally during an epidemic briefing. someone just fucking remove him already

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Mar 31, 2020 13:50:37

pacino wrote:the next major lie brewing on the right is that the number of deaths isn't accurate and what even is a covid death anyway?

it will probably get to trump himself

It will go perfectly with the confusion about what an influenza death is. When we hear that 20k deaths in a year were caused by influenza, it is a significant number, but the methodology is much more liberal than the methodology we're using to estimate coronavirus deaths. It's far from apples to apples. The "direct, known" deaths caused by influenza would be orders of magnitude lower if the coronavirus methodology was used.

For influenza, from the CDC website:

We first look at how many in-hospital deaths were observed in FluSurv-NET. The in-hospital deaths are adjusted for under-detection of influenza using methods similar to those described above for hospitalizations using data on the frequency and sensitivity of influenza testing. Second, because not all deaths related to influenza occur in the hospital, we use death certificate data to estimate how likely deaths are to occur outside the hospital. We look at death certificates that have pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I), other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death. We use information on the causes of death from FluSurv-NET to determine the mixture of P&I, R&C, and other coded deaths to include in our investigation of death certificate data. Finally, once we estimate the proportion of influenza-associated deaths that occurred outside of the hospital, we can estimate the deaths-to-hospitalization ratio.

Data needed to estimate influenza-associated deaths may lag for up to two years after the season ends. When this is not yet available for the season being estimated, we adjust based on values observed in prior seasons (e.g., the 2010-2011 season through the 2016-2017 season) and update the estimates when more current data become available.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho ... imates.htm

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Mar 31, 2020 13:52:46

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:the next major lie brewing on the right is that the number of deaths isn't accurate and what even is a covid death anyway?

it will probably get to trump himself

It will go perfectly with the confusion about what an influenza death is. When we hear that 20k deaths in a year were caused by influenza, it is a significant number, but the methodology is much more liberal than the methodology we're using to estimate coronavirus deaths. It's far from apples to apples. The "direct, known" deaths caused by influenza would be orders of magnitude lower if the coronavirus methodology was used.

For influenza, from the CDC website:

We first look at how many in-hospital deaths were observed in FluSurv-NET. The in-hospital deaths are adjusted for under-detection of influenza using methods similar to those described above for hospitalizations using data on the frequency and sensitivity of influenza testing. Second, because not all deaths related to influenza occur in the hospital, we use death certificate data to estimate how likely deaths are to occur outside the hospital. We look at death certificates that have pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I), other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death. We use information on the causes of death from FluSurv-NET to determine the mixture of P&I, R&C, and other coded deaths to include in our investigation of death certificate data. Finally, once we estimate the proportion of influenza-associated deaths that occurred outside of the hospital, we can estimate the deaths-to-hospitalization ratio.

Data needed to estimate influenza-associated deaths may lag for up to two years after the season ends. When this is not yet available for the season being estimated, we adjust based on values observed in prior seasons (e.g., the 2010-2011 season through the 2016-2017 season) and update the estimates when more current data become available.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho ... imates.htm


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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby momadance » Tue Mar 31, 2020 15:18:04

Great news, guys! It's Infrastructure Week again!

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Mar 31, 2020 15:41:27

They should prioritize that planning now.

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby The Sarge » Tue Mar 31, 2020 15:55:38

momadance wrote:Great news, guys! It's Infrastructure Week again!

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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 18:00:59

Always love when it gets around a bootlicker time on these coronavirus task force briefings. Mike Pence steps to the mic and tightens up his bib, dropped to his knees and goes at it. It’s not the presidents COVID-19 recommendations, it was actually recommendations from people who know something and are employed by the American people at places like NIH and the CDC.
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 18:04:02

I heard Governor Cuomo being rightfully upset at the idea that states are bidding with one another and when that starts to get a little rough as one state starts to pound in the coffin nails of another while simultaneously driving the cost of goods up, then FEMA steps in to sees the states and raise the bid. What a shit show
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 18:25:40

Trump is going on and on about what would have happened if we had done nothing. He said there was a group of people out there who thought we should do nothing. It was f****** him. It was his f****** rhetoric and b*******.

then he goes on to talk about what it would have been like with people dying on airplanes and in hotel lobbies and walking down the street and all kinds of other crazy-ass b*******. Maybe he doesn't know anything about this disease whatsoever. How it works, how people die, etc. Intense hospitalization. What the f*** is wrong with this idiot
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Mar 31, 2020 18:39:13

I stuck around too long I got to the part where Trump starts talking about how trainers paying these tariffs to us. Stupid son of a bitch still doesn’t know that that’s not how it works. He said that the premier of China and he have an agreement on it, which just means at the premiere of China playing him..
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Re: You Know, the Thing: A New Politics Thread

Postby Phred » Wed Apr 01, 2020 08:12:28

thephan wrote:I heard Governor Cuomo being rightfully upset at the idea that states are bidding with one another and when that starts to get a little rough as one state starts to pound in the coffin nails of another while simultaneously driving the cost of goods up, then FEMA steps in to sees the states and raise the bid. What a shit show


This was one of the most disturbing things that I heard about this entire situation. States and the Fed gov actually fighting and bidding against each other, driving the prices up and companies and the Fed gov allowing it to happen. Should companies be expected, at times of crisis, to say "Hold on, guys. We aren't going to have a bidding war."? I guess that is when the fed gov should step in with Defense Production Act. Makes me wonder if there are people in our government that may have investments in these companies.
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