Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby thephan » Mon Mar 09, 2020 08:58:22

Uncle Milty wrote:Have you glanced over everything at https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/? If you've been on the Bernie bus there's little chance you'll find much appealing in his platform. I won't lobby here since it's likely fruitless. For example just our difference in view on his healthcare plan. Personally I find his overall voting record acceptable and it's pretty well rated by groups.

I'm not sure legislative history necessarily relates to one's vision for the future. Times change, people change. For the specific items you mention you could raise the same concern about the majority who were in congress at the time.

I completely agree with this. Certainly he is human and therefore failable. sure he has some unfortunate blemishes. I think that the crime bill seemed like a good solution at the time and age and wisdom show it to be horribly tilted, accidentally (or opportunistically) racist, overly harsh, etc. WRT war footing, Iraqi was a farce, and post 9/11 the nation was in uncharted territory netting netting some rash decisions.

I think it will take years to repair and rebuild everything Trump's damaged and dismantled. There's also unfinished work to complete before we start complete upheavals.

I am afraid that so much damage has been done that Joe might not have a shot at fixing all of it. Basically Trump has been catastrophic. Domestically and internationally things are dire.

Joe as president won't energize Trumpism the way more progressive candidates would. With enough success and support it might just begin to fade.

Where I agree, the progressive movement has many merits about things that have been neglected or ignored to the point that it is internal decay. Finding a way to start to answer things is imperative.




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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby TomatoPie » Mon Mar 09, 2020 09:05:32

Some more thoughts on why Warren is out, and I agree with most of it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/opin ... imary.html

Not buying the sexist argument. Among those who choose the Dem nominee, being female is more of an asset than a liability. Decent people (aka liberals) WANT a woman president. Even men want that. Even former Republicans.

Warren is preachy, she lectures her audience, especially the nonconverted. She's Howard Dean with selfies.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby Gimpy » Mon Mar 09, 2020 09:14:08

NYT is just salty that they endorsed two candidates and they couldn’t crack 75 delegates combined

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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Mon Mar 09, 2020 09:41:39

Most recent 538 primary forecast update gives Biden a 93% chance for a majority and 97% for a plurality.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby traderdave » Mon Mar 09, 2020 09:47:49

The Savior wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
Gimpy wrote:Disregarding Sanders and Trump, what in Biden’s platform or legislative history makes him an appealing candidate? This is not snark, I would legitimately like to be sold on him and I’m having difficulty buying Biden stock.


Unlike Sanders, Biden knows how to build a coalition.


This. It’s a zero sum game. Ride the guy that gives you the best chance to win. Sorry. Maybe not the idealist view but this presidency is putting all of us at risk. I do not want 4 more years of this. Nope.


I agree with this also. For nearly every "progressive" THAT I KNOW, you are either with them or against them. It is their way or no way. They even fight amongst themselves for what is the "right" way. There is seemingly no middle ground. The progressives I know also tend to be very selfish. Their PsOV tend to center around what is best for them and theirs and if it happens to benefit others too, all the better.

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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Mon Mar 09, 2020 09:49:05

traderdave wrote:
The Savior wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
Gimpy wrote:Disregarding Sanders and Trump, what in Biden’s platform or legislative history makes him an appealing candidate? This is not snark, I would legitimately like to be sold on him and I’m having difficulty buying Biden stock.


Unlike Sanders, Biden knows how to build a coalition.


This. It’s a zero sum game. Ride the guy that gives you the best chance to win. Sorry. Maybe not the idealist view but this presidency is putting all of us at risk. I do not want 4 more years of this. Nope.


I agree with this also. For nearly every "progressive" THAT I KNOW, you are either with them or against them. It is their way or no way. They even fight amongst themselves for what is the "right" way. There is seemingly no middle ground. The progressives I know also tend to be very selfish. Their PsOV tend to center around what is best for them and theirs and if it happens to benefit others too, all the better.


Orwell's Homage to Catalonia probably worth a re-read.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby Gimpy » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:05:55

Every moderate Dem that I know (bear in mind, just the ones that I know, not making a blanket statement here) warns about turning schools into racial jungles and makes young girls uncomfortable by drawing them in close to smell them. Again, just the moderate Dems I know, maybe not all of them.

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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby Brantt » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:18:11

Monkeyboy wrote:It will go down for a few months and be back on the upswing just we race to the election


You can make an absolute fortune on the stock market in the next few months.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby traderdave » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:18:52

Gimpy wrote:Every moderate Dem that I know (bear in mind, just the ones that I know, not making a blanket statement here) warns about turning schools into racial jungles and makes young girls uncomfortable by drawing them in close to smell them. Again, just the moderate Dems I know, maybe not all of them.


Wow, I hope you don't know a lot of them.

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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby Brantt » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:19:20

Cannot believe the DNC changed the rules of the next debate to protect Biden from Bernie. Beyond hysterical.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby JUburton » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:22:48

Brantt wrote:Cannot believe the DNC changed the rules of the next debate to protect Biden from Bernie. Beyond hysterical.
It has a bad look but it doesn't matter. It's basically over now and it'll be really over after Tuesday. After that point Biden would have beat Bernie by (guessing) 6-8pts on average to come out ahead. And there are a lot of good states for Biden remaining.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby thephan » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:23:52

Not Tulsi?
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby thephan » Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:30:26

I liked Warren. I think she had the ironic problem of having plans. Plans are clearly not sexy or a selling point. Wonk candidates don't win elections. Her wonky disposition has minimal appeal and I think, to some extent, scare people. Bookworm negativity over looking for competence. None of the Trump, Sanders or Joe crowd spend much capital on talking about their competency in planning and legislation.

Also, I have not found much support among women I spoke with (specific small sample size) in a heavily moderate area. Their take was very weird to me in dismissing her as someone who could win and saying, very disturbingly given the change in VA representation to women, that it needs to be an older white man. That sort of made me ill, but the argument is that VA is not reflective of middle America.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby CalvinBall » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:02:11

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glad he got clobbered so badly and dropped out when he did

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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby Stripes » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:41:36

Wolfgang622 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Booker endorses Biden. Two polls out in Michigan with Biden up 20+.


The encouraging thing about Biden being up by these numbers is that I feel his position in the general, relative to Hillary, is considerably stronger. Of course, so is Trump's 2020, relative to his 2016.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.



I really believe that if Biden had run in '16, he'd have won. So much anti-Hillary voting...

It's no coincidence that Trump's town hall last week was in Biden's birthplace, Scranton. The local media really treats Joe as one of their own. Not only do I expect him to carry heavily Dem Lackawanna County, he could also flip neighboring Luzerne County(Wilkes-Barre), which was one of the key areas that turned the state for Trump in '16.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby thephan » Mon Mar 09, 2020 13:46:38

Ainsley Earhardt: "Stephanie, when Bernie was on 'Meet the Press' over the weekend, Chuck Todd asked him if he was going to continue to be on the campaign trail because we keep hearing if you're around 80 years old you are susceptible, and he is 78 years old. President Trump is 73. Will he continue to have rallies and be out there on the campaign trail?"


Stephanie Grisham: "He actually just addressed this. Yes, he plans on still holding rallies. And I'll tell you what, with our President -- this man who doesn't sleep and who I have seen work 15-16 hours a day every day -- I have no problem thinking that he's going to be just fine and just healthy."


Does anyone think Trump works even 4 hours a day? Also, Ms. Press Secretary, I think there is a solid chance that he'd die if he could not take citizen sponsored vacation to rallies.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby thephan » Mon Mar 09, 2020 14:09:44

thephan wrote:
The Savior wrote:
thephan wrote:
The Savior wrote:He has funding from an unknown source btw


His sis is in the administration, he's filthy f'ing rich, and he is taking money from someone? Secret santa. Likely those dumb asses he's "training"


1m came through a law firm
Origins unknown.


CNN coverage: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/07/politics ... index.html


Hey, wait a minute, weren't we told by Trump back in 2018 that "A lot of people are saying they had spies in my campaign" ? Although that was later debunked by the Justice Department, Trump had succeeded in spreading this conspiracy theory, but all the while Erik Prince seems to have been busy doing exactly that same thing.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby JFLNYC » Mon Mar 09, 2020 14:13:58

It’s been clear for a long time that Donny is the poster child for denial and projection. If he accuses someone of something you can be sure he’s doing it.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby The Sarge » Mon Mar 09, 2020 14:45:01

thephan wrote:
Ainsley Earhardt: "Stephanie, when Bernie was on 'Meet the Press' over the weekend, Chuck Todd asked him if he was going to continue to be on the campaign trail because we keep hearing if you're around 80 years old you are susceptible, and he is 78 years old. President Trump is 73. Will he continue to have rallies and be out there on the campaign trail?"


Stephanie Grisham: "He actually just addressed this. Yes, he plans on still holding rallies. And I'll tell you what, with our President -- this man who doesn't sleep and who I have seen work 15-16 hours a day every day -- I have no problem thinking that he's going to be just fine and just healthy."


Does anyone think Trump works even 4 hours a day? Also, Ms. Press Secretary, I think there is a solid chance that he'd die if he could not take citizen sponsored vacation to rallies.




If you include watching TV, being Hannity's public relations guy, tweeting nonsense and possibly even running the Trump organization, then he might be at 16 hours a day.
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Re: Politics: Y'all ready for this?

Unread postby CalvinBall » Mon Mar 09, 2020 15:55:46

New 2020 head-to-heads via national Quinnipiac poll:

Biden 52%
Trump 41%

Sanders 49%
Trump 42%

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