It's over now - Cher endorsed Biden

CFP wrote:Guess we didn’t post this yet - Wasserman says Biden is projected to win TX.

Twitter is not amused

Uncle Milty wrote:

CFP wrote:Guess we didn’t post this yet - Wasserman says Biden is projected to win TX.

Twitter is not amused

Considering that Twitter is largely responsible for Donald Trump’s grip on power, I say: “Great!”

Houshphandzadeh wrote:so many people who were so wrong in 2016 insist that they have the pulse on the American electorate

jerseyhoya, tomatopie, and werthless got everything they wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years and then were surprised to find that out that their party was fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia and their country defined by inequality, but now we take their advice as the way forward

It's funny because the same thing has happened in our culture in general with Jennifer Rubin, bret Stephens, and david brooks writing columns advising Democrats on which candidate to choose

Uncle Milty wrote:

CFP wrote:Guess we didn’t post this yet - Wasserman says Biden is projected to win TX.

Twitter is not amused

REPORT HIM FOR VOTER SUPRESSION! Holy shit they're so insufferable.

td11 wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:so many people who were so wrong in 2016 insist that they have the pulse on the American electorate

jerseyhoya, tomatopie, and werthless got everything they wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years and then were surprised to find that out that their party was fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia and their country defined by inequality, but now we take their advice as the way forward

It's funny because the same thing has happened in our culture in general with Jennifer Rubin, bret Stephens, and david brooks writing columns advising Democrats on which candidate to choose

But 95 percent of the people voting tonight have no idea who any of those people are. They decide what they want on their own and with their family and friends. Because some R columnist agrees with them doesn’t impact the validity or invalidity of their view.

Remember that thing about it taking Biden 32 years and three campaigns to win a state?

Well, assuming he wins Texas and Maine, he'll have won 10 state primaries tonight. In 2016, Sanders won 10 state primaries* in total.

*-Obviously, this is worded to exclude caucuses and the Dems Abroad primary, but still...

It is hard to convince myself of it tonight, but I think today was very good for Democrats. There seems to be increased turnout and interest still, so I think even Biden can win 2020 as long as he keeps his gaffes to a minimum. I think Joe is respected enough (outside of Trump's base) that if he just rolls off Trump's baseless and "mean" attacks he would look sympathetic. It did not work for Hillary since the animus (rightly or wrongly) was always baked in for her.

Then again, I reiterate, that without the delegate count for California it's too early to crown anyone. There was a good poll for Biden in Michigan though, Bernie's miracle state from 2016.

Wasserman just called Maine for Biden

Outlets calling Texas for Biden and Bloomberg on his way to dropping below 15%

Uncle Milty wrote:

Werthless wrote:The Texas results by age are amazing. Sanders beats Biden 6:1 under 30, and Biden wins 3:1 among 65+.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... Fstory-ans

Different ratios but it's a pretty consistent theme. Biden edged Bernie 11-1 in the Virginia 65+ and they were 25% of the vote.

I understand people's frustration but don't be upset at the 45+ and 65+ (or wish death on them). Get upset at like-minded under 45 folks who didn't vote. It's running about 2 to 1 tonight for 45+ to under 45.

Old people don't have anything else to do

So, Biden won fair and square, and he will be the 2020 Democratic nominee. I like Joe Biden, and I am happy for him. Not sure how much people realize he has really suffered tragedies in his life, and he deserves something good. And he has been a good and true and loyal Democrat, and that matters, so I will be very pleased to vote for him come the fall.

But here is why some of us on the left would have preferred a different outcome: a Biden candidacy allows Trump to re-run the 2016 election on largely similar terms, and sure, against a more likeable opponent - I am certain Biden would have won in 2016 - but now with the advantage of incumbency and a good economy. It will be a lot of “whatabout” Hunter Biden, Ukraine, Anita Hill, trying to paint Biden as just an older, more senile version of Trump for those who might be inclined to cast an anti-Trump vote.

Bernie, for better or for worse, would have really changed the argument. Liz too. I think that’s what we needed.

I will say this is as close as we are going to get or could have gotten to Trump v. Obama, and I have always been certain that Obama would have annihilated Trump. I expect a fully invested Barack Obama going forward, and that may well be the difference maker.

Go Joe!

Here’s the next question: how do you politely ask Bill Clinton to campaign for Joe Biden and make a key note address at the DNC, but for Hillary Clinton to have errands to run between now and November?

Perhaps she could take a trip to Benghazi to avoid enemy fire. Perhaps she could finally file for that divorce.

Keep both Clintons far far away.

CalvinBall wrote:Keep both Clintons far far away.

I mean if the price of keeping Hillary away is keeping Bill away, yeah, but the thing is: people like Bill.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:jerseyhoya, tomatopie, and werthless got everything they wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years and then were surprised to find that out that their party was fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia and their country defined by inequality, but now we take their advice as the way forward

You're half right.

For 40 years, not just 20, I saw the GOP as people like Bill Kristol, the Bushes, Rick Wilson, Tara Setmayer, Nicole Wallace. IOW, decent people who want to improve the lives of all Americans, just like Libruls do - they just see a different path. My YUGE mistake was thinking that folks like these represent the bulk of Republicans. Trump did not change the GOP, he merely revealed it to a party fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. So you're spot on there.

But the Trump Crime Syndicate has not delivered "everything I wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years." What Trump has done is mostly 100% opposite. Good conservatives are pro-immigration. We're free trade advocates. We're for smaller government, but not by firing or driving out the competent government employees. I've never been aligned with the bible thumping arm of the GOP; I'm a social liberal who understands that progressive values advance no matter who is in the white house.

The only area where I agree with Trump is his first SCOTUS appointment. And I confess that I'm less alarmed about how he's stacking the lower courts because they may be useful to curb the excesses of the Democrat majorities soon to come.

td11 wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:so many people who were so wrong in 2016 insist that they have the pulse on the American electorate

jerseyhoya, tomatopie, and werthless got everything they wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years and then were surprised to find that out that their party was fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia and their country defined by inequality, but now we take their advice as the way forward

It's funny because the same thing has happened in our culture in general with Jennifer Rubin, bret Stephens, and david brooks writing columns advising Democrats on which candidate to choose

Amen.

Good night for the country last night. Far-left progressive politics look to be out of the equation for at least the next 4 years. Although Bernie is going to eviscerate Biden in the next debate.

TomatoPie wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:jerseyhoya, tomatopie, and werthless got everything they wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years and then were surprised to find that out that their party was fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia and their country defined by inequality, but now we take their advice as the way forward

You're half right.

For 40 years, not just 20, I saw the GOP as people like Bill Kristol, the Bushes, Rick Wilson, Tara Setmayer, Nicole Wallace. IOW, decent people who want to improve the lives of all Americans, just like Libruls do - they just see a different path. My YUGE mistake was thinking that folks like these represent the bulk of Republicans. Trump did not change the GOP, he merely revealed it to a party fueled by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. So you're spot on there.

But the Trump Crime Syndicate has not delivered "everything I wanted policy-wise over the last 20 years." What Trump has done is mostly 100% opposite. Good conservatives are pro-immigration. We're free trade advocates. We're for smaller government, but not by firing or driving out the competent government employees. I've never been aligned with the bible thumping arm of the GOP; I'm a social liberal who understands that progressive values advance no matter who is in the white house.

The only area where I agree with Trump is his first SCOTUS appointment. And I confess that I'm less alarmed about how he's stacking the lower courts because they may be useful to curb the excesses of the Democrat majorities soon to come.

are you going to vote for biden if he is the nominee?

Appears my initial post greatly underestimated the party consolidation in the wake of South Carolina. Has all the feeling of the party 'deciding' without it being incredibly obvious. Pretty good politics to be honest.