Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:15:19

Trent Steele wrote:You’re right that he’s never going to be convicted, but that’s really neither the point nor the purpose of this process. Forcing those R votes to acquit in light of Bolton’s allegations (and keeping this as the narrative as long as possible) is the goal.

And “The Room Where it Happened” is a great fucking name for the book


I feel as though this assumes that in the handful of states where there are R senators up for re-election and they are vulnerable, their vote in this proceeding will make a difference. Haven’t looked at it lately but I know the senate map for Ds this time sucks, there are far more vulnerable D seats than R, and so even if you were right, I would submit that a vote to convict for vulnerable D is likely to be as problematic as a vote to acquit for a vulnerable R, and so we are likely, at best, playing a zero sum game, and at worst, maybe the Ds lose a little ground.

I feel confident these proceedings will have no more impact on the general election than Donald Trumps’s general all around douchey behavior would have had.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:17:19

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when the democrats nominate a candidate in his 40s they win
when the democrats nominate a candidate over 55 they lose


My glancing knowledge of FDR says, really?
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby ashton » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:20:16

swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:[

when the democrats nominate a candidate in his 40s they win
when the democrats nominate a candidate over 55 they lose


My glancing knowledge of FDR says, really?

He was 50.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:20:50

Wolfgang622 wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:You’re right that he’s never going to be convicted, but that’s really neither the point nor the purpose of this process. Forcing those R votes to acquit in light of Bolton’s allegations (and keeping this as the narrative as long as possible) is the goal.

And “The Room Where it Happened” is a great fucking name for the book


I feel as though this assumes that in the handful of states where there are R senators up for re-election and they are vulnerable, their vote in this proceeding will make a difference. Haven’t looked at it lately but I know the senate map for Ds this time sucks, there are far more vulnerable D seats than R, and so even if you were right, I would submit that a vote to convict for vulnerable D is likely to be as problematic as a vote to acquit for a vulnerable R, and so we are likely, at best, playing a zero sum game, and at worst, maybe the Ds lose a little ground.

I feel confident these proceedings will

have no more impact on the general election than Donald Trumps’s general all around douchey behavior would have had.


No offense, but that’s way off. The map is substantially better for Dems in the Senate. Doug Jones is the only vulnerable Dem up. Rs have Collins,McSally, Ernst, Gardner, Thillis, two seats in Georgia among others. This cycle isn’t even close
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:28:52

I would bet heavily on a parlay of Arizona and Colorado going D and Alabama going R. Dems will need to pick off two others, which will be tough, but not impossible
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:31:06

ashton wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:[

when the democrats nominate a candidate in his 40s they win
when the democrats nominate a candidate over 55 they lose


My glancing knowledge of FDR says, really?

He was 50.


He was nominated four times.

Truman was 64 for that matter. Johnson was 56.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:33:28

swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:[

when the democrats nominate a candidate in his 40s they win
when the democrats nominate a candidate over 55 they lose


My glancing knowledge of FDR says, really?

He was 50.


He was nominated four times.

Truman was 64 for that matter. Johnson was 56.


Also, the world has lost its mind and nothing that has ever happened in the past matters anymore
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:34:02

Trent Steele wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:You’re right that he’s never going to be convicted, but that’s really neither the point nor the purpose of this process. Forcing those R votes to acquit in light of Bolton’s allegations (and keeping this as the narrative as long as possible) is the goal.

And “The Room Where it Happened” is a great fucking name for the book


I feel as though this assumes that in the handful of states where there are R senators up for re-election and they are vulnerable, their vote in this proceeding will make a difference. Haven’t looked at it lately but I know the senate map for Ds this time sucks, there are far more vulnerable D seats than R, and so even if you were right, I would submit that a vote to convict for vulnerable D is likely to be as problematic as a vote to acquit for a vulnerable R, and so we are likely, at best, playing a zero sum game, and at worst, maybe the Ds lose a little ground.

I feel confident these proceedings will

have no more impact on the general election than Donald Trumps’s general all around douchey behavior would have had.


No offense, but that’s way off. The map is substantially better for Dems in the Senate. Doug Jones is the only vulnerable Dem up. Rs have Collins,McSally, Ernst, Gardner, Thillis, two seats in Georgia among others. This cycle isn’t even close


None taken, I was working from memory, so if I’m wrong, I’m wrong, and I’m glad to be wrong because I was worrying there was really no point to this at all.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby Trent Steele » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:36:09

I mean, this country elected an illiterate serial sexual assaulter with a 7th grade intellectual capacity whose qualifications consisted of being a scumbag dickhead on a reality TV show. The past could not be less relevant. We have crossed some kind of threshold.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby ashton » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:36:31

swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:[

when the democrats nominate a candidate in his 40s they win
when the democrats nominate a candidate over 55 they lose


My glancing knowledge of FDR says, really?

He was 50.


He was nominated four times.

Truman was 64 for that matter. Johnson was 56.

ashton wrote: Ignoring elections where the democratic nominee is the incumbent president

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:37:22

Matthews is a Biden campaign plant on MSNBC. He also just said the Toomey asking for a one for one witness deal will play well in Pennsylvania a state that looks for equilibrium politically.

He's a dinosaur with a smaller iq.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby ashton » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:41:36

Actually the last election held to form. Republicans win when they nominate someone with more name recognition than political accomplishments, the Democrats win when they nominate someone who is young and new to the national stage. Trump wasn't even trying to win and yet still won because of how badly Hillary fit the formula and how well Trump fit.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby momadance » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:50:03

CalvinBall wrote:Matthews is a Biden campaign plant on MSNBC. He also just said the Toomey asking for a one for one witness deal will play well in Pennsylvania a state that looks for equilibrium politically.

He's a dinosaur with a smaller iq.


He's so worthless.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:52:09

ashton wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
ashton wrote:[

when the democrats nominate a candidate in his 40s they win
when the democrats nominate a candidate over 55 they lose


My glancing knowledge of FDR says, really?

He was 50.


He was nominated four times.

Truman was 64 for that matter. Johnson was 56.

ashton wrote: Ignoring elections where the democratic nominee is the incumbent president


Ah I see. Or the incumbent Vice President, I guess.
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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby ashton » Mon Jan 27, 2020 19:58:53

swishnicholson wrote:Ah I see. Or the incumbent Vice President, I guess.

No, they were each the sitting president when they ran. Al Gore was the incumbent vice president.

I didn't include sitting presidents because that won't be the case for Democrats this year, and because sitting presidents are judged by their term as president, not what happened before that.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jan 27, 2020 20:26:36

These guys are not good at writing narrative. Pam Bondi was particularly awful.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jan 27, 2020 20:40:03

Doug Collins is going to run for GA Senate against Loeffler. Lol.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jan 27, 2020 20:49:40

It looks like Jay Sekulow is wearing a down jacket under his suit.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby momadance » Mon Jan 27, 2020 21:41:52

LOL Mark Meadows threatening Senate Republicans. No one in the upper house cares about a Congressman who's retiring because he's going to lose.

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Re: Politics: Iowa-nt this to be over

Postby momadance » Mon Jan 27, 2020 21:48:25

Well shit...

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Breaking via NYT: John Bolton privately told Attorney General Barr last year that he had concerns that Trump was effectively granting personal favors to the autocratic leaders of Turkey and China, according to an unpublished manuscript by Bolton.

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Barr responded by pointing to a pair of Justice Dept. investigations of companies in those countries and said he was worried that Trump had created the appearance that he had undue influences, according to the manuscript. Barr mentioned conversations Trump had with Erdogan & Xi.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/p ... -ios-share

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