Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Fri May 17, 2019 09:34:11

One of the last pristine places in the US, the Boundary Water Canoe Area, has had permits approved for mining adjacent to the waters. Its only copper and nickel, so what could go wrong?

I guess I am fortunate to have gotten there a few years ago.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri May 17, 2019 09:54:57

There is a Boy Scout High Adventure base there. :(

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Fri May 17, 2019 10:17:10

We have reached a true tipping point. This is now scary. May be time to impeach.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Fri May 17, 2019 10:44:58

JUburton wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:The Warren problem is that real deep wonk progressives love her, but she is negative on the charisma scale. She loses to Trump. I'd vote enthusiastically for Klobuchar or MajorPete, but I'd have to hold my nose to vote for Warren.
Please tell us why you would hold your nose to vote for her except 'charisma'.


She's too far left for me, for example:

Advocating government interference in business with things like the "Accountable Capitalism Act," which would require 40% employee representation on boards of big corporations

Opposition to trade agreements like TPP

The wealth tax
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby The Savior » Fri May 17, 2019 10:56:09

“I should’ve been told Flynn was under investigation so I wouldn’t have told him to do illegal things” is a helluva defense
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby JUburton » Fri May 17, 2019 11:06:29

TomatoPie wrote:
JUburton wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:The Warren problem is that real deep wonk progressives love her, but she is negative on the charisma scale. She loses to Trump. I'd vote enthusiastically for Klobuchar or MajorPete, but I'd have to hold my nose to vote for Warren.
Please tell us why you would hold your nose to vote for her except 'charisma'.


She's too far left for me, for example:

Advocating government interference in business with things like the "Accountable Capitalism Act," which would require 40% employee representation on boards of big corporations

Opposition to trade agreements like TPP

The wealth tax
Well there ya go, it's not charisma then.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri May 17, 2019 11:08:45

that stuff isn't charismatic, ju

Advocating government interference in business with things like the "Accountable Capitalism Act," which would require 40% employee representation on boards of big corporations

how is it government interference if employees get representation?
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Fri May 17, 2019 11:14:01

That seems pretty straight forward. It is government dictating how businesses operate.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Gimpy » Fri May 17, 2019 11:25:40

Boards don’t operate companies though. They set broad policy and provide oversight. I think there’s a chasm between “government telling a business how to run” and “employees being given a voice in what the company does.”

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Fri May 17, 2019 11:26:35

JUburton wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:
JUburton wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:The Warren problem is that real deep wonk progressives love her, but she is negative on the charisma scale. She loses to Trump. I'd vote enthusiastically for Klobuchar or MajorPete, but I'd have to hold my nose to vote for Warren.
Please tell us why you would hold your nose to vote for her except 'charisma'.


She's too far left for me, for example:

Advocating government interference in business with things like the "Accountable Capitalism Act," which would require 40% employee representation on boards of big corporations

Opposition to trade agreements like TPP

The wealth tax
Well there ya go, it's not charisma then.


I don't oppose her for her schoolmarminess, but I'm speculating that others will. Kamala has a winning smile; Pete is a natural charmer, he is sincere without being preachy. Warren is - stylewise - Hillary 2.0.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Fri May 17, 2019 11:27:27

pacino wrote:that stuff isn't charismatic, ju

Advocating government interference in business with things like the "Accountable Capitalism Act," which would require 40% employee representation on boards of big corporations

how is it government interference if employees get representation?


The federal government has no business telling corporations who belongs on the board. It's exactly the kind of overreach meddling that rarely leads to a good outcome.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby TomatoPie » Fri May 17, 2019 11:30:13

Gimpy wrote:Boards don’t operate companies though. They set broad policy and provide oversight. I think there’s a chasm between “government telling a business how to run” and “employees being given a voice in what the company does.”


Employees are employees. Government has no business giving them control over the owners.

Would it be a nice thing for a company to so empower its employees? Sure. Is it the government's role to mandate it? Nope.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Gimpy » Fri May 17, 2019 11:55:42

TomatoPie wrote:
Gimpy wrote:Boards don’t operate companies though. They set broad policy and provide oversight. I think there’s a chasm between “government telling a business how to run” and “employees being given a voice in what the company does.”


Employees are employees. Government has no business giving them control over the owners.

Would it be a nice thing for a company to so empower its employees? Sure. Is it the government's role to mandate it? Nope.


That’s not control over the owners. Boards of directors exist to represent the owners. If they were expanded to represent owners and employees while management continued to control operations, nothing would change regarding operation of the company.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby The Sarge » Fri May 17, 2019 12:12:52

The Savior wrote:“I should’ve been told Flynn was under investigation so I wouldn’t have told him to do illegal things” is a helluva defense



It's not like this Flynn thing came out of nowhere. Obama, Yates, and Christie all said that he shouldn't be hired. Flynn himself told McGhan that he was under investigation.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Fri May 17, 2019 12:23:40

President Donald Trump's reelection campaign is disavowing a Keeping America Great super PAC run by Corey Stewart, arguing the former Senate candidate in Virginia is trying to trick people into thinking they are supporting Trump by giving money to his PAC.

Trump campaign spokeswoman Erin Perrine in an interview with ABC News accused Stuart's group of trying to get people to think "they are directly supporting the President's reelection" by giving to the PAC.

She called the behavior "unconscionable."

...

Trump's campaign and his business organization are very protective of the president's name and his slogans, and the president is known to take umbrage to those who seek to earn money for themselves off his name.


MAGA is an unoriginal slogan that they pilfered from Regan.

I do like that Corey Stewart is getting kicked to curb. Trumps former campaign man in VA, failed gubernatorial and senate candidate, slightly shaded Minnesota racist who loves him some Confederate heritage, and general wrong thinking Manassas carpet bagger.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Fri May 17, 2019 13:04:10



The administration is planning to send as many as 1000 migrants a month to Florida. Specifically to Florida districts with democrat representation.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Phred » Fri May 17, 2019 13:29:12

Tim Murphy is resigning because he asked his girlfriend to get an abortion.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 17, 2019 13:44:32

Phred wrote:Tim Murphy is resigning because he asked his girlfriend to get an abortion.

Important update from 2017

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby PhillieMooDo » Fri May 17, 2019 13:54:45

TomatoPie wrote:
Gimpy wrote:Boards don’t operate companies though. They set broad policy and provide oversight. I think there’s a chasm between “government telling a business how to run” and “employees being given a voice in what the company does.”


Employees are employees. Government has no business giving them control over the owners.

Would it be a nice thing for a company to so empower its employees? Sure. Is it the government's role to mandate it? Nope.

Corporations and owners are always so quick to treat their employees fairly. Never needed any mandates from the government for any of that stuff...
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