Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

by **JUburton** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:18:25

1A - Biden
1B - Bernie
2 - Harris, Warren, Pete
3 - Booker, Beto
4 - Klobuchar? if you're being generous
5+ everyone else

by **CalvinBall** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:27:20

1 - Biden
2 - Bernie
3 - Harris, Warren
4- Beto, Pete,booker
5- everyone else

by **traderdave** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:29:14

That feels about right, though I see Pete and Beto as Flavor of the Month types. The first four you listed were who I had in mind (and probably in the order too).

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:34:05

Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

by **Bucky** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:34:42

traderdave wrote:Surely only three or four of the 23 have an actual, legitimate shot at the nomination and the presidency. Its like the NBA.

Who besides Lebron? I don't see anyone else even making it to the primary.

by **CalvinBall** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:37:50

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

tbf i think it is partially why he is standing out in a sense. it isnt people like our parents who are buzzing about him. its the internet.

i know beto hasnt polled super great but still think his large, large crowds mean something.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:44:56

CalvinBall wrote:1 - Biden
2 - Bernie
3 - Harris, Warren
4- Beto, Pete,booker
5- everyone else

I think this is correct, although may have Harris and Warren on the same tier as Bernie. My sense is that a big reason why Biden might fall apart is if he has a senior moment or two on a big stage, and Bernie is particularly poorly suited to capitalize on that.

And might have Klobuchar after Booker in the "shit isn't going anywhere right now, but can see how it might work if the ball bounces the right way".

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:45:55

CalvinBall wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

tbf i think it is partially why he is standing out in a sense. it isnt people like our parents who are buzzing about him. its the internet.

Right. It's not like a ton of straight mayors of small cities have a great track record of getting elected president.

by **swishnicholson** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:47:38

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

I feel like we must have at some point.

by **JUburton** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:48:34

CalvinBall wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

tbf i think it is partially why he is standing out in a sense. it isnt people like our parents who are buzzing about him. its the internet.

yeah, but he has major problems with a large portion of the democratic base, unfortunately. A scant majority (51%) of black americans approve of gay marriage. If you parse that to black democrats it may be like 55-60%.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/cha ... -marriage/

Obviously not a 1:1 correlation between view on that and 'would I vote for him?' but it's not ideal for him. His buzz is largely from white affluent internet people.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:49:17

What about me? I announced a week ago.

I'll put the "fun" back in fundraising and the "can" back in canvassing and the "oral" back in electoral.

Take a Chance on Me.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 16, 2019 10:51:06

swishnicholson wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

I feel like we must have at some point.

Mary Todd was a cover

Walt Whitman and Lincoln 4ever

by **swishnicholson** » Thu May 16, 2019 11:00:02

Monkeyboy wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Feels like if Pete were straight he’d have a real shot. No way this country would ever elect a gay man as president

I feel like we must have at some point.

Mary Todd was a cover

Walt Whitman and Lincoln 4ever

Apparently James Buchanan.

I would have bet on Franklin Pierce, but I don't think anyone would want to claim him.

by **The Savior** » Thu May 16, 2019 11:51:41

I’d like to see Biden/Warren ticket. I think that’s a slam dunk winner.

by **PTOITWCFTPP** » Thu May 16, 2019 12:23:28

The Savior wrote:I’d like to see Biden/Warren ticket. I think that’s a slam dunk winner.

How so? Biden feels like the shakiest front runner ever

by **JUburton** » Thu May 16, 2019 12:27:02

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
The Savior wrote:I’d like to see Biden/Warren ticket. I think that’s a slam dunk winner.

How so? Biden feels like the shakiest front runner ever

Because of things like the Quinnipiac poll in PA that has Biden up 53-42 vs Trump.

PA is a very good state for him and you may not get the exact same results in non-neighbor states, but you get the idea.

by **The Savior** » Thu May 16, 2019 12:51:44

Look - we need to win this election and whether I like it or not - an older white man is likely more electable in key states than a woman or a woman of color.

I don’t love Biden but he’s a solid candidate who can likely win in states like Ohio Michigan and Wisconsin.

by **CalvinBall** » Thu May 16, 2019 12:55:18

dont think any dem is winning in ohio but MI and WI yes

by **TomatoPie** » Thu May 16, 2019 13:03:14

Monkeyboy wrote:When I see a spider in the house or some insect trapped, I let them free, even if they are a pest. When there are flies in the house, I have this trick where I turn off all the lights except the room between the flies and the front door. The flies are attracted to the light so they go to the room with the light. Then I turn on the next room's light and turn off the light in the room with the flies and the flies go into the next room. I slowly usher all the flies out of the house, room by room, finishing by opening the front door with the porch light on. The flies all go outside. It's humane. Even though I #$!&@ hate flies and they carry disease, I still treat that life with respect. I could use a fly swatter and it would take less time, but I try to let even the least useful things live. If I saw Trump unconscious and drowning in a puddle, I wouldn't even bother to roll him over. Sadly, that is the honest truth.

Brought a tear to my eye.

by **TomatoPie** » Thu May 16, 2019 13:07:08

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:Who are the real candidates?

Biden
Pete
Beto
Bernie

Is that it?

Tier One
Warren
Biden
Bernie
Bootyjuggs
Harris

Tier Two
Klobuchar
Booker

But it's VERY early, who had Obama near the top in May of 2007?

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