Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:11:36

Asked if Trump believes in climate change, Perdue told CNN he hasn't talked about that issue with the President -- but speculated he's concerned about rain. "I think the President feels that I do, he's a golfer, so sometimes he knows he gets rained out and sometimes it doesn't, but the long term consequences, I don't know," Perdue said.


Head slap yourself into a coma. I don't know if Sonny is stupid, but he sure acts that way. He does manage to nail priorities.

Edit: got top paged, so there is the context.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:41:57

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traderdave wrote:Beto O'Rourke and his "war tax":

Non-military households would pay a "war tax" to help cover the health care of veterans of newly-authorized wars under a plan Beto O'Rourke's campaign unveiled Monday. Households making less than $30,000 per year would pay $25; those making less than $40,000 would pay $57; those making less than $50,000 would pay $98; those making less than $75,000 would pay $164; those making less than $100,000 would pay $270; those making less than $200,000 would pay $485; and those making more than $200,000 would pay $1,000.

I am all for supporting our veterans as much as needed but don't we already pay taxes to support them? How about creating an efficient and effective VA first.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/politics ... index.html


What kind of a society assesses a “war tax”?

What kind of a candidate thinks of one?

As much of a supporter I am of internalizing costs that are usually hidden -- people need to understand that war is not free, that it costs lives and money -- does taking steps to itemize the costs for our taxes make sense. If it does, should we do it with other aspects of our taxes? If it makes for war costs, why not for everything?

Also, why not just make it a percentage of income? I hate the creation of tax cliffs.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Gimpy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:48:01

I think a large driver of it is making war less popular

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:58:30

Gimpy wrote:I think a large driver of it is making war less popular


I think that is THE driver

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:06:57

If that is the point, then I think Charles Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft is much more effective rhetorically. I know that no Presidential Candidate would actually do this, but that kind of is the problem with Beto. What he's doing amounts to "I think there should be shared sacrifice in wartime, but not too much, and really, most of it is going to affect other people".
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:36:02

I want to make sure I am following what is being written. The general consensus above seems to imply that Beto is not so much trying to help veterans as to teach the American public a lesson about the costs of war. Am I misreading what y'all are saying?

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:40:50

If your wrong, then I am right there with you.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:10:51

that is my conjecture, yes

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Gimpy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:30:22

TenuredVulture wrote:If that is the point, then I think Charles Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft is much more effective rhetorically. I know that no Presidential Candidate would actually do this, but that kind of is the problem with Beto. What he's doing amounts to "I think there should be shared sacrifice in wartime, but not too much, and really, most of it is going to affect other people".


A draft wouldn’t impact the older folks at all. A tax would.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:31:28

easily recognized glaring divide in media

Most media outlets: Trump says accuser is "not his type"

Other outlets: Trump says accuser thinks rape is "sexy"

I guess I need to watch the interview, but it is striking the was the venerable Washington Examiner and Fox News report the information.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Gimpy » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:32:50

traderdave wrote:I want to make sure I am following what is being written. The general consensus above seems to imply that Beto is not so much trying to help veterans as to teach the American public a lesson about the costs of war. Am I misreading what y'all are saying?


I think it would do both. Help fund a conflict and help make people realize that money for multi trillion dollar wars needs to come from somewhere.

Also of note, I’m not a fan of Beto and want him out of this race as quickly as possible, but I am hoping through the primary he helps his profile enough to run and win the upcoming Senate election in Texas.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:33:37

Gimpy wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:If that is the point, then I think Charles Rangel's bill to reinstate the draft is much more effective rhetorically. I know that no Presidential Candidate would actually do this, but that kind of is the problem with Beto. What he's doing amounts to "I think there should be shared sacrifice in wartime, but not too much, and really, most of it is going to affect other people".


A draft wouldn’t impact the older folks at all. A tax would.


I think most parents and grandparents would be impacted by the drafting of their young. This was a pretty widespread issue during the early days of the Iraq war.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:33:49

James Uthmeier, a former top adviser to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told congressional investigators that he spoke to a professor who has advocated for adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census to limit the participation of illegal immigrants, but refused to answer more than 100 questions from panel staff on advice of Commerce Department lawyers, according to testimony released Tuesday.

The lawyers instructed Uthmeier not to discuss a secret memo he wrote about the citizenship question at the direction of Ross to the Justice Department.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/ex-aide-c ... mmigrants/

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby CFP » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:44:05

Pennsylvania GOP chair Val DiGiorgio traded sexually charged messages with a Philly Council candidate. Then he sent her an explicit photo.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylva ... 90625.html

he has now resigned.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 13:53:33

New press secretary named. FLOTUS spokes person Stephany Grisham. She has seemed tough on behalf of her client, lets see what happens now that she works for the administration. She might take the role seriously as it has historically been conveying information to the citizens, or she might just be next up in the defense of the president. I have little hope that anything will go well.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 13:56:05

What?!?!? Duncan Hunter, known disingenuous bad guy actually used some of those misplaced campaign funds for affairs? No way. Who could have guessed? I guess that was part of his strategy to let his wife/former campaign co-conspirator take the fall for graft, theft, etc.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jun 25, 2019 13:57:52

PA budget negotiations aren't going great.

Speaker Turzai has said no one can mention minnimum wage increase and that any utterance of the words will be struck from the record. Dems get shouted down,"Point of order!" whenever they do. A republican just mentioned it (negatively) and all the Dems shouted "Point of order!"

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 14:00:36

Acting CBP Chief throwing in the towel. So many open jobs, so few willing applicants.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Jun 25, 2019 14:14:29

another big sticking point is a wolf proposal to move environmental grant funding to zero basically to help pay for the DEP. no idea why he included that from the start. not smart!

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 14:32:39

Holy Cow: I did not know Hunter's wife changed her plead to GUILTY earlier this month. She is going to exact some serious revenge in exchange for leniency.
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