pacino wrote:Pete Buttigieg appears to be an incompetent mayor. I don't see how anyone could vote for the guy for president. Sheesh

What is this in reference to

CalvinBall wrote:

pacino wrote:Pete Buttigieg appears to be an incompetent mayor. I don't see how anyone could vote for the guy for president. Sheesh

What is this in reference to

The fact that some angry black people yelled at him I think?

There was a police shooting (white officer, black victim) and Mayor Pete isn't handling it deftly. It's hard situation to deal with under normal circumstances but being an up and coming presidential candidate adds to it

he doesn't appear to have handled much with the police department very well since he became mayor. he also doesn't appear to have many actual policies and didn't seem to have an overall coherent strategy around housing while mayor.

DC Examiner story out about Ilhan Omar and how he multiple marriages and her story around them are a lie and may have legal implications.

So this is crazy
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/orego ... spartanntp

“Oregon State Police has recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat,” a spokesperson for the senate president told the Associated Press on Friday night.
...
While leaving the statehouse before the walkout, Republican Sen. Brian Boquist implied that police officers who pursued them should be ready to die. “Send bachelors and come heavily armed,” Boquist warned police in a televised interview shortly before his walkout. “I’m not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It’s just that simple.”

Beto O'Rourke and his "war tax":

Non-military households would pay a "war tax" to help cover the health care of veterans of newly-authorized wars under a plan Beto O'Rourke's campaign unveiled Monday. Households making less than $30,000 per year would pay $25; those making less than $40,000 would pay $57; those making less than $50,000 would pay $98; those making less than $75,000 would pay $164; those making less than $100,000 would pay $270; those making less than $200,000 would pay $485; and those making more than $200,000 would pay $1,000.

I am all for supporting our veterans as much as needed but don't we already pay taxes to support them? How about creating an efficient and effective VA first.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/politics ... index.html

I think this is probably more to create awareness around the true costs of war

Tax and spend policy articulation! But seriously, it is interesting because it really throws opponents over a barrel to explain why we would not do this, while flipping on the light of the realities of the long term/life time cost of care that is required. Additionally, a hidden cost is the disability support that is federally funded. It is a requirement to deal with the long term problem, and there is no one that I know who has served more then one tour that is not damaged in some way (look for Gut's catalog of work related ailments, and in my experience he is pretty much on par with everyone, if not slightly better off). Our retired military go through some evaluation that produces a percentage of disability which drives compensation. These problems, and the costs it will drive are not insignificant, and in the end it is likely underfunded regardless of the proposals.

Maine Speaker of the House Sara Gideon announced she is running for the D nomination to run against Susan Collins for US Senate.

CalvinBall wrote:Maine Speaker of the House Sara Gideon announced she is running for the D nomination to run against Susan Collins for US Senate.

If she's an MMJ fan she's got a great walkout song lined up.

Just when I thought I could not be surprised, there it is. Pence telling Tapper the admin always follows the science, then goes into terrible spin mode invalidating about anything he has said, and showing that he is just a general idiot.

Soren wrote:So this is crazy
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/orego ... spartanntp

“Oregon State Police has recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat,” a spokesperson for the senate president told the Associated Press on Friday night.
...
While leaving the statehouse before the walkout, Republican Sen. Brian Boquist implied that police officers who pursued them should be ready to die. “Send bachelors and come heavily armed,” Boquist warned police in a televised interview shortly before his walkout. “I’m not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It’s just that simple.”

I guess the 2nd Civil War starts here

Paper tiger.

Annie Donaldson, ex-White House senior aide has agreed to provide testimony in writing, to congressional investigators probing possible obstruction of justice.

traderdave wrote:Beto O'Rourke and his "war tax":

Non-military households would pay a "war tax" to help cover the health care of veterans of newly-authorized wars under a plan Beto O'Rourke's campaign unveiled Monday. Households making less than $30,000 per year would pay $25; those making less than $40,000 would pay $57; those making less than $50,000 would pay $98; those making less than $75,000 would pay $164; those making less than $100,000 would pay $270; those making less than $200,000 would pay $485; and those making more than $200,000 would pay $1,000.

I am all for supporting our veterans as much as needed but don't we already pay taxes to support them? How about creating an efficient and effective VA first.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/politics ... index.html

What kind of a society assesses a “war tax”?

What kind of a candidate thinks of one?

Warszawa wrote:

Soren wrote:So this is crazy
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/orego ... spartanntp

“Oregon State Police has recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat,” a spokesperson for the senate president told the Associated Press on Friday night.
...
While leaving the statehouse before the walkout, Republican Sen. Brian Boquist implied that police officers who pursued them should be ready to die. “Send bachelors and come heavily armed,” Boquist warned police in a televised interview shortly before his walkout. “I’m not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It’s just that simple.”

I guess the 2nd Civil War starts here

A staged walkout by politicians is one thing; being supported by even the vague threat of armed insurrection is quite another.

I don’t see how these “Oath Keeper” people and their threats can be permitted to stand. Given how prosecutors charge these days there’s got to be a few things you can throw at them, and since Idaho is involved that makes it interstate and the feds can get involved. Not that Trump would.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

traderdave wrote:Beto O'Rourke and his "war tax":

Non-military households would pay a "war tax" to help cover the health care of veterans of newly-authorized wars under a plan Beto O'Rourke's campaign unveiled Monday. Households making less than $30,000 per year would pay $25; those making less than $40,000 would pay $57; those making less than $50,000 would pay $98; those making less than $75,000 would pay $164; those making less than $100,000 would pay $270; those making less than $200,000 would pay $485; and those making more than $200,000 would pay $1,000.

I am all for supporting our veterans as much as needed but don't we already pay taxes to support them? How about creating an efficient and effective VA first.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/politics ... index.html

What kind of a society assesses a “war tax”?

What kind of a candidate thinks of one?

There is always a tax for war. I'm not saying this is a good proposal, but going to war, spending trillions and then pretending it doesn't cost anything is more cynical and worse IMO.

pacino wrote:he doesn't appear to have handled much with the police department very well since he became mayor. he also doesn't appear to have many actual policies and didn't seem to have an overall coherent strategy around housing while mayor.

I’m not sure what his policies are as mayor, but he’s outlined his policies as a candidate https://peteforamerica.com/issues/

Yet another senior Trump official showing he does not know the difference between weather and climate while simultaneously indicating that the administration does not take the issue very seriously:

Perdue told CNN's Vanessa Yurkevich in the interview released Tuesday that "we don't know" the cause of climate change, adding, "and obviously scientists -- many scientists believe that it's human caused, other scientists believe it's not," Perdue said. "So if it's not human caused, then what is it?" Yurkevich asked. "You know, I think it's weather patterns, frankly. And you know, and they change, as I said. It rained yesterday, it's a nice pretty day today. So the climate does change in short increments and in long increments," Perdue responded.

Asked if Trump believes in climate change, Perdue told CNN he hasn't talked about that issue with the President -- but speculated he's concerned about rain. "I think the President feels that I do, he's a golfer, so sometimes he knows he gets rained out and sometimes it doesn't, but the long term consequences, I don't know," Perdue said.