Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:28:44

Correct. Bernie et al. were not the team who decided to slap the 'socialism' label on democratic socialism. It was the right, in a <so far very successful> attempt to defile their proposals by linking them to social democracy countries (e.g. Venezuela). It doesn't stem from any confusion whatsoever- it's just intentional propaganda.

So they have finally taken the tact of wearing the Socialism badge proudly- because really, what's to be gained by continuing to fight it? Indeed, Bernie spent a lot of time trying to make the etymological distinction and finally just gave up.


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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:38:25

The Department of Justice informed the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday that President Donald Trump has asserted executive privilege over materials related to the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

"We have been, I have been, the most transparent President and administration in the history of our country, by far."
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:29:01

Can someone rank the main dem candidates in regards to their tendencies to use identity politics as a campaign tool?
I would rather see you lose than win myself

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:35:50

I know you were all breathlessly awaiting my endorsement for 2020, and here it is:

Elizabeth Warren, and I don't care if she "can win" or not. She speaks the most seriously and has the most thought-out ideas about the nation's most pressing and intractable economic problems. Just having her on the big stage will hopefully shift the conversation.

There.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:36:40

Bucky wrote:Correct. Bernie et al. were not the team who decided to slap the 'socialism' label on democratic socialism. It was the right, in a <so far very successful> attempt to defile their proposals by linking them to social democracy countries (e.g. Venezuela). It doesn't stem from any confusion whatsoever- it's just intentional propaganda.

So they have finally taken the tact of wearing the Socialism badge proudly- because really, what's to be gained by continuing to fight it? Indeed, Bernie spent a lot of time trying to make the etymological distinction and finally just gave up.



Like Connie Mack's White elephants.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:39:55

Wolfgang622 wrote:I know you were all breathlessly awaiting my endorsement for 2020, and here it is:

Elizabeth Warren, and I don't care if she "can win" or not. She speaks the most seriously and has the most thought-out ideas about the nation's most pressing and intractable economic problems. Just having her on the big stage will hopefully shift the conversation.

There.


I’m with you

She has a very focused message and a lot of passion

Her campaign slogan should be Amazon Pays No Taxes
I would rather see you lose than win myself

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 13:47:14

traderdave wrote:The Department of Justice informed the House Oversight Committee on Wednesday that President Donald Trump has asserted executive privilege over materials related to the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 census.


This is a level of unexplainable stupidity, and that AG Barr supports it is unconscionable.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Wed Jun 12, 2019 14:21:52

Monkeyboy wrote:could you boil that down to something I can put on a bumper sticker or tattoo, TV? Otherwise, nobody will get it.

I mean, it's great, but the false equivalencies have been drilled into people for too long. A healthy democracy depends on an informed citizenry and we no longer have that.


Yeah, it is tough to draw distinctions when media like WaPo run articles titled, "Should Democrats embrace socialism? The 2020 primary, in 4 factions".

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 15:31:50

Three weeks until the 4th, and no one knows WTF is going on in DC on the 4th. There are regularly scheduled, planned events, but Trump wants to have his own something pretty much right in the middle of it.

https://wtop.com/dc/2019/06/confusion-a ... a-mystery/
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 16:06:11

'Fake Polls claims the president. He's never been in a stronger position. He'd smash the election if it were today.'

That is something. I mean it is nothing really, I just hope he is putting on a good face and not delusional.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jun 12, 2019 16:41:03

His ability to take a small issue like bad internal polls that was getting very limited play in the press, amplify it with a tweet, and then double down with an outlandish lie on camera to make sure all the news stations cover it is one of a kind.

The thinnest of skin.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Jun 12, 2019 17:56:16

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I THINK BERNIE LURKS HERE


He just sent out an email blast "Why I call myself a democratic socialist"


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



Bucky -
While the Bill of Rights protects us from the tyranny of an oppressive government, many in the establishment would like the American people to submit to the tyranny of oligarchs, multinational corporations, Wall Street banks, and billionaires.
In 1944, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt proposed an economic bill of rights, because he knew that there cannot be true freedom without economic security. He was not able to enact it before his death. Seventy-five years later, that job falls to us.
That is why I am proposing we complete the unfinished work of FDR and the Democratic Party by putting forth a 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights. These rights include:
• Quality health care
• A complete education
• A good job that pays a living wage
• Affordable housing
• A secure retirement
• A clean environment
I am asking for your support for this 21st Century Economic Bill of Rights. Will you add your name to say you endorse these rights?

These are my values, and that is why I call myself a democratic socialist.
What I believe is that the American people deserve freedom – true freedom. Freedom is an often-used word, but it’s time we took a hard look at what that word actually means.
Ask yourself: what does it actually mean to be free?
Are you truly free if you are unable to go to a doctor when you are sick, or face financial bankruptcy when you leave the hospital?
Are you truly free if you cannot afford the prescription drug you need to stay alive?
Are you truly free when you spend half of your limited income on housing, and are forced to borrow money from a payday lender at 200% interest rates?
Are you truly free if you are 70 years old and forced to work because you lack a pension or enough money to retire?
Are you truly free if you are unable to attend college or a trade school because your family lacks the income?
Are you truly free if you are forced to work 60 or 80 hours a week because you can’t find a job that pays a living wage?
Are you truly free if you are a mother or father with a newborn baby but you are forced to go back to work immediately after the birth because you lack paid family leave?
Are you truly free if you are a small business owner or family farmer who is driven out by the monopolistic practices of big business?
Are you truly free if you are a veteran, who put your life on the line to defend this country, and now sleep out on the streets?
To me, the answer to those questions, in the wealthiest nation on earth, is no, you are not free.
It is time for the American people to stand up and fight for their rights to freedom, human dignity, and security.
.
Thank you for being a part of our movement.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Jun 12, 2019 18:04:11

Very disappointed (well, actually I guess I'd have to have high hopes to be disappointed) in Cory Booker's op-ed in the Inquirer; oh, fuck, I just noticed it was actually co-written with Donald Norcross (rather than simply ghost-written.) You would think a former impoverished city Mayor would be the the one holding the power-that -be's feet to the fire to make sure economic "investment" actually reaches those in need rather than just being corporate welfare, and would highlight the long, long way to go before Camden is actually a safe and inviting place to live, rather than simply being the puppet of the man behind the curtain. but I guess he knows whcih side his bread is buttered on.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed Jun 12, 2019 21:17:23

@RepJerryNadler It is shocking to hear the President say outright that he is willing to put himself indebt to a foreign power... not to mention the foreign interference in an American election part.

As the chairman of the House Judiciary I wonder if there’s anything you can do. I have to say I’m more and more impressed with Trump...he just doesn’t care and he knows he can get away with whatever he wants.
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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed Jun 12, 2019 21:54:31

• Quality health care
• A complete education
• A good job that pays a living wage
• Affordable housing
• A secure retirement
• A clean environment

For anyone who wants it
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jun 12, 2019 22:21:48

Ted Cruz now wants to work with AOC on getting birth control to be OTC

A few weeks ago he committed to working on legislation with her to ban members from becoming lobbyists.

What is he doing?

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby thephan » Wed Jun 12, 2019 22:32:59

And here is,what he said

In an excerpt from an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos published on Wednesday, the president pushed back when asked whether a candidate should report information on an opponent if it came from a foreign agent, and denied that accepting the information counted as election interference.

“It’s not an interference, they have information — I think I’d take it,” Trump said. “If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI — if I thought there was something wrong.”

“It’s called oppo research,” he added.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jun 12, 2019 23:24:03

CalvinBall wrote:Ted Cruz now wants to work with AOC on getting birth control to be OTC

A few weeks ago he committed to working on legislation with her to ban members from becoming lobbyists.

What is he doing?

I would imagine any time she says something like it's some great idea that he's advocated in the past he's suggesting they work together on it

Banning members from becoming lobbyists is pretty dumb though it fits the dumb-ness of both Cruz and AOC. Should be able to make a living if you lose your election or move onto other things, and shouldn't discourage people from registering as lobbyists if you care about transparency.

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Jun 12, 2019 23:50:21

CalvinBall wrote:Ted Cruz now wants to work with AOC on getting birth control to be OTC

A few weeks ago he committed to working on legislation with her to ban members from becoming lobbyists.

What is he doing?


flirting

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Re: Biden our Time until 2020 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Thu Jun 13, 2019 08:45:46

thephan wrote:And here is,what he said

In an excerpt from an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos published on Wednesday, the president pushed back when asked whether a candidate should report information on an opponent if it came from a foreign agent, and denied that accepting the information counted as election interference.

“It’s not an interference, they have information — I think I’d take it,” Trump said. “If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI — if I thought there was something wrong.”

“It’s called oppo research,” he added.



Is it possible to overstate the significance of this? In my mind, not only did Trump pimp himself out, he has immediately created doubt regarding the validity of the 2020 election (especially if he, God forbid, wins). I mean, to Dorn's point, when is somebody going to step up and stop this maniac (non violently)?

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