06hawkalum wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think he knows he's got an uphill battle in the reelect and thinks the Democrats opening impeachment proceedings will help him. But I'd imagine the only way they would help is if the Democrats look like they're overzealous while Trump is being reasonable, so they're unfairly targeting him in the eyes of swing voters. The way he's reacting to oversight subpoenas (categorically refusing cooperation rather than assessing on a case by case basis) and now to pretty tame language from Pelosi, he's ceding that ground voluntarily.

I think he's going full Goebbels here, and by that I mean he is going to do (traderdave's favorite expression) whatever he likes, but loudly claim he's being reasonable and the crazy Democrats are being crazy.

And you know what? It's going to work.

Eh, I really don't think it is working considering his disapproval ratings have slowly but steadily been increasing this month.

He really fucked himself by imposing those 25% tariffs on China. That tweet was the beginning of his end.

::fingers crossed::

Well, we won't know if it's working until a few days from now when polls are updated. He's down a point or so recently, quite likely from the tariff talk. That didn't play, so this is clearly an effort to change the target and topic of conversation and see how that goes. I'm more of Wolfgang's mind, since there's been no erosion of his support over the last two years, despite everything. But I'm happy to cross my fingers along with you.

swishnicholson wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think he knows he's got an uphill battle in the reelect and thinks the Democrats opening impeachment proceedings will help him. But I'd imagine the only way they would help is if the Democrats look like they're overzealous while Trump is being reasonable, so they're unfairly targeting him in the eyes of swing voters. The way he's reacting to oversight subpoenas (categorically refusing cooperation rather than assessing on a case by case basis) and now to pretty tame language from Pelosi, he's ceding that ground voluntarily.

I think he's going full Goebbels here, and by that I mean he is going to do (traderdave's favorite expression) whatever he likes, but loudly claim he's being reasonable and the crazy Democrats are being crazy.

And you know what? It's going to work.

Eh, I really don't think it is working considering his disapproval ratings have slowly but steadily been increasing this month.

He really fucked himself by imposing those 25% tariffs on China. That tweet was the beginning of his end.

::fingers crossed::

Well, we won't know if it's working until a few days from now when polls are updated. He's down a point or so recently, quite likely from the tariff talk. That didn't play, so this is clearly an effort to change the target and topic of conversation and see how that goes. I'm more of Wolfgang's mind, since there's been no erosion of his support over the last two years, despite everything. But I'm happy to cross my fingers along with you.

Actually, the very Trumpy Rasumussen poll has him down quite a bit.

TenuredVulture wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

Wolfgang622 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I think he knows he's got an uphill battle in the reelect and thinks the Democrats opening impeachment proceedings will help him. But I'd imagine the only way they would help is if the Democrats look like they're overzealous while Trump is being reasonable, so they're unfairly targeting him in the eyes of swing voters. The way he's reacting to oversight subpoenas (categorically refusing cooperation rather than assessing on a case by case basis) and now to pretty tame language from Pelosi, he's ceding that ground voluntarily.

I think he's going full Goebbels here, and by that I mean he is going to do (traderdave's favorite expression) whatever he likes, but loudly claim he's being reasonable and the crazy Democrats are being crazy.

And you know what? It's going to work.

Eh, I really don't think it is working considering his disapproval ratings have slowly but steadily been increasing this month.

He really fucked himself by imposing those 25% tariffs on China. That tweet was the beginning of his end.

::fingers crossed::

Well, we won't know if it's working until a few days from now when polls are updated. He's down a point or so recently, quite likely from the tariff talk. That didn't play, so this is clearly an effort to change the target and topic of conversation and see how that goes. I'm more of Wolfgang's mind, since there's been no erosion of his support over the last two years, despite everything. But I'm happy to cross my fingers along with you.

Actually, the very Trumpy Rasumussen poll has him down quite a bit.

Hoping that's a canary in the coal mine, but I really don't trust anything until the 538 aggregation.

I’d open up impeachment proceedings. Short term dip perhaps but long term win. Trump will say and do a lot of dumb things.

I think they can keep making him nuts and let him continue to put on his crazy routine. Maybe not they, just Nancy.

Nancy's playing the long game and playing it well.

JUburton wrote:lmao i didnt see that he did it at a podium with a sign on it saying 'no collusion. no obstruction.' what a (sad) time to be alive.

gosh, it's almost like he planned to run out to the podium and complain about the investigation all along

It’s clear the Dems strategy is to keep poking at trump because doing so will help improve the numbers on impeachment. It will become more and more popular.

Trump world sees this as a boost to his numbers if it happens NOW. they may be too stupid to rewlize public sentiment can change.

Public sentiment isn’t going to change. Trump will continue to defy lawful subpoenas and evade any serious challenges to his Presidency. He’s gotten away with so much and will continue to do so after he wins re-election. Get used to it now as this is the norm.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Rex Tillerson, a man who is “dumb as a rock” and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don’t think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!

The best people!

I don't think (or at least I hope) that his strategy of actually saying he isn't going to work on anything with Dems until they stop investigating him is going to help him at all.

Stay classy, Donnie!

The Sarge wrote:

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Rex Tillerson, a man who is “dumb as a rock” and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don’t think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!

The best people!

"Rex Tillerson’s career is the embodiment of the American dream. Through hard work, dedication and smart deal making, Rex rose through the ranks to become CEO of ExxonMobil, one of the world’s largest and most respected companies," Trump said in a statement issued Tuesday morning. "His tenacity, broad experience and deep understanding of geopolitics make him an excellent choice for Secretary of State. He will promote regional stability and focus on the core national security interests of the United States."

He added: "I can think of no one more prepared, and no one more dedicated, to serve as Secretary of State at this critical time in our history."

"Well, in his case, he's much more than a business executive, I mean he's a world-class player," Trump said.

-Donald J. Trump, December 11, 2016

I think that the impeachment discussion needs to be tempered with the reality that McConnell will destroy it.

Not really. The point won't be impeachment conviction. The point will be bringing all of Trump's dirty laundry to light.

We've been doing that for two years; it doesn't matter. There is NOTHING out there, known or unknown, that will sway a Trump supporter. Likewise, the anti-Trumpers are not suddenly going to support him. Whether he conspired with the Russians or not, he is still a vile, lying, narcissistic POS. Trump would wear impeachment like a badge of honor.

I don't know. I know people are paranoid because he was down in the polls and then won 2016 but literally don't see how Trump gets re-elected in 2020:

1. He won every swing state he needed in 2016 but by razor thin margins 100-150K
2. I can't imagine ANYONE who didn't vote for him in 2016 but will vote for him in 2020. So his top line number is what it was last election
3. A portion of his support has died out. literally died.
4. There was at least a small segment of the Republican/Indepedent voters who voted for him on the belief that once in the office, he'd act more Presidential. Which he won't get this time.

According to polls a majority of Americans do not want Trump impeached while a majority also do not want him re-elected.

If you want Trump gone you continue to bang the drum slowly between now and the election. It’s foolish to go down the impeachment path most people don’t want unless you’re sure you can succeed. If you fail you look incompetent and just give Trump more ammunition to say he’s been exonerated. Why would you risk handing him a second term when you know the Senate will never convict?

Keep poking, keep prodding, keep investigating. If you find a true smoking gun, move to impeach. Otherwise let the voters do the deed next year.

JUburton wrote:Not really. The point won't be impeachment conviction. The point will be bringing all of Trump's dirty laundry to light.

To what seems to be the speakers plan, that can be done without a political defeat in the senate fueling a next round of 'nothing to see here'.

Squire wrote:4. There was at least a small segment of the Republican/Indepedent voters who voted for him on the belief that once in the office, he'd act more Presidential. Which he won't get this time.

But there were a bunch of Republican never Trumpers who probably sat out the 2016 election or voted Gary Johnson who've gotten on board the Trump Train. Trump has solidified what Gingrich started, and this is the Republican Party.