It’s been passed down for centuries.

Warszawa wrote:

pacino wrote:Trumpanyahu calling the charges "fake"

Witch Hunt!

Do these guys all have the same playbook?

yep, there's a cookbook for fascism.

Trump used his position to override the multiple negative dispositions to grant Jared a security clearance. The president has that ability, and I am sure it has been used before, just not for a family member with reported glaring threats of foreign compromise.

thephan wrote:Trump used his position to override the multiple negative dispositions to grant Jared a security clearance. The president has that ability, and I am sure it has been used before, just not for a family member with reported glaring threats of foreign compromise.

Such a glaring issue that a memo documenting that it was an order from the president was necessary.

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Jay Inslee running for president. Ok.

University of New Hampshire poll for NH:

Dems
Sanders 26%
Biden 22%
Harris 10%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 5%
Klobuchar 4%
Booker 3%

GOP
Trump 68%
Kasich 17%
Weld 3%

pacino wrote:University of New Hampshire poll for NH:

Dems
Sanders 26%
Biden 22%
Harris 10%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 5%
Klobuchar 4%
Booker 3%

GOP
Trump 68%
Kasich 17%
Weld 3%

feel like this isn't a great result for.........anyone really.

pacino wrote:University of New Hampshire poll for NH:

Dems
Sanders 26%
Biden 22%
Harris 10%
Warren 7%
O'Rourke 5%
Klobuchar 4%
Booker 3%

GOP
Trump 68%
Kasich 17%
Weld 3%

NH is weird though...pretty sure support for Bernie higher there then elsewhere. Biden's numbers will probably jump once he starts campaigning.

I would imagine the opposite; not sure many will like what Biden's selling.

pacino wrote:I would imagine the opposite; not sure many will like what Biden's selling.

A return to the "good old days" of the Obama Administration?

Granted, it wasn't great, but a hell of a lot better than the shitshow we have today.

I think he would beat Trump in PA (duh), MI, and WI and therefore win the presidency.

I am also convinced that the average American voter is a moderate and that far more would be scared away by "Commie Bernie" than by Biden's platform.

I think as Dems we need to do whatever it takes at the polls in 2020 to save RBG's seat on the SC. That means voting for whoever gets the nomination. Doing otherwise would be insanity.

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Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

momadance wrote:The republicans are bad at this.

Was just about to post this exact thing (probably would have said GOP because I’m lazy). They think it’s such a slam to be like THE PRESIDENT EMPLOYED A SLEAZY LIAR FOR 10 YEARS!

Let's not forget that Cohen was also the deputy finance chairman of the RNC. People forget that and act like he was just Trump's fixer, but he had his hands in things involving the whole RNC. My guess is it will turn out he was helping to hide money being funneled from russia through the NRA. And Mcconnell was one of those receiving money through that channel and other russian channels, so he was involved in this scandal, too. The whole RNC is an organized crime syndicate.

Besides the fact that it's clear you don't know what the RNC is or what it does, Cohen didn't get his post there until April 2017.

OK, but he was deputy finance chairman of the rnc. He wasn't just Trump's fixer. Cohen and his father in law and a number of his close associates have connections to the russian mob. Explain that away.

Trump made him deputy finance chair - a largely ceremonial post, not like he's in the office 9 to 5 dialing for dollars or building spreadsheets - because he was his fixer. It has nothing to do with Russia. Not everything is a part of some grand conspiracy.

Not everything, but an awful lot of things surrounding Donald Trump and Cohen seem to be when it comes to Russia. Cohen, and his friends and family, have tons of ties to russian organized crime. And we all know about the hack, the attacks on NATO, etc, etc, etc,. Spin it how you wish.

Hell of a party you got there.

Donald Trump is a terrible human being and it is embarrassing that we nominated him and elected him. It is some order of magnitude less embarrassing but still bad that a lifelong Dem hack lawyer like Cohen got a post at the RNC. You can stick to the facts because they're bad enough, and floating something like Cohen being at the RNC to hide money funneled from Russia through the NRA (which makes no fucking sense if you have any grasp of what the RNC is) detracts from any reasonable point you might be trying to make.

and you continuing to support the GOP detracts from your credibility. I guess we both have problems. At least I admit my mistake. When will you stop supporting the party of Trump and Putin? I mean, that money was funneled from russia through the NRA to the GOP, even if Cohen wasn't directly involved. And Cohen, who does have a large number of ties to russian organized crime (Slater is going to testify, so here it comes), was named deputy chair of the NRC. That's a bit embarrassing, but is still somehow not even in the top 100 things done poorly by your party in the last 2-3 years.

I'm just wondering when you finally will drop your support of the GOP. Could you tell me what it will take? Like, what needs to happen? It's not just TRump, nearly the whole party is infected with the disease. I would have ditched the dem party a long time ago if they behaved similarly.

You don't seem like a terrible person or anything. I just don't get it and I wonder where the breaking point is. I'm curious when 1/3 of my fellow americans will finally regain their senses.

In our current political system, JH only has two choices, and both with markedly different philosophies. It wouldn't suit him to jump ship to the liberal side just because of the tactics employed by the current conservative regime.

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pacino wrote:I would imagine the opposite; not sure many will like what Biden's selling.

A return to the "good old days" of the Obama Administration?

Granted, it wasn't great, but a hell of a lot better than the #$!&@ we have today.

I think he would beat Trump in PA (duh), MI, and WI and therefore win the presidency.

I am also convinced that the average American voter is a moderate and that far more would be scared away by "Commie Bernie" than by Biden's platform.

I think as Dems we need to do whatever it takes at the polls in 2020 to save RBG's seat on the SC. That means voting for whoever gets the nomination. Doing otherwise would be insanity.

I don't think he'll get very far; he's a bad campaigner and has lots of baggage that in today's party will be a deathknell for him.

I never said anything about not voting for him in the general, but he'd severely deflate enthusiasm among the party's activists and volunteers.

The compromise candidate is Harris. She's the team to beat for Sanders, who is the frontrunner. Unfortunately it looks like Warren is DOA so she might end up dropping out unless something big happens.

Bucky wrote:In our current political system, JH only has two choices, and both with markedly different philosophies. It wouldn't suit him to jump ship to the liberal side just because of the tactics employed by the current conservative regime.

except the dem side is at least as conservative as the GOP these days. And there are other options out there. I wouldn't support the dem party if they behaved this way, but I also wouldn't become republican. I would support a 3rd party and swear off the dem party maybe forever, or at least until they returned to a party that wasn't openly trying to destroy our democracy. That is literally what Trump and the teaparty nutjobs are trying to do. They don't want a democracy.

Support a 3rd party until it becomes viable. The dems winning, even if you don't agree with them, is better than Trump and his fascist party tearing everything down. I would much rather have Reagan and Bush I in charge than a democrat who was trying to destroy everything. I wouldn't like everything getting passed, but at least Reagan wasn't trying to burn it to the ground. Republicans need to get their heads out of their asses, accept that dems might win the next election or two, and rid their own party of these horrible people. For the good of the country. Act like the patriots they say they are. Have some fucking courage and make some sacrifice.

On a personal level, his vote actually doesn't matter since he's in DC. He just votes for the bad Dems on the DC council.

There are plenty of people who still self identify as conservatives but write articles as an opponent of the current GOP. For someone who works in DC, and derives livelihood from GOP candidates, I wouldn't expect them to behave the same way in their public interactions and self-identity. Being opposed to Trump is, to use an argument that liberals here make all the time, equivalent to being against the modern GOP.

It would benefit the US if we had 2 functional parties who each try to govern. Some folks are trying to move the needle from within the GOP, and some are choosing to sit on the sidelines. I have trouble judging never-trumpers who continue to self identify as GOP.

Story out there about Ivankna pressing dad to get JarJar everything he needed, and overruling all comers. This is why government is not a family business, and nepotism needs to be stomped out of the WH.

This is a gem..

BANGOR, Maine (AP) - Former Maine Gov. Paul LePage says any elimination of the Electoral College would hurt white people.

LePage told WVOM radio that allowing the popular vote to choose the president would give minorities more power and that "white people will not have anything to say."

Proposals to eliminate the Electoral College are sometimes floated but fail to gain traction. A Maine legislative committee plans to discuss a proposal this week.

LePage says cutting the Electoral College would mean there is never another presidential candidate from small states like "Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Wyoming, Montana, Rhode Island."

While governor, LePage blamed out-of-state, minority dealers for bringing drugs into Maine and added that they often impregnate "young, white" girls while in Maine.

Werthless wrote:There are plenty of people who still self identify as conservatives but write articles as an opponent of the current GOP. For someone who works in DC, and derives livelihood from GOP candidates, I wouldn't expect them to behave the same way in their public interactions and self-identity. Being opposed to Trump is, to use an argument that liberals here make all the time, equivalent to being against the modern GOP.

It would benefit the US if we had 2 functional parties who each try to govern. Some folks are trying to move the needle from within the GOP, and some are choosing to sit on the sidelines. I have trouble judging never-trumpers who continue to self identify as GOP.

I have asked in the past what he was doing to affect the GOP and move it away from the abyss. I never got an answer. I assume he's not doing anything because I'm pretty sure he would have taken the opportunity to tell me how wrong I am. I think he's just taking his paycheck paid for by (mostly GOP?) groups wanting polling and keeping his mouth shut. If I'm wrong about that, I'll apologize in advance. Trying to change the GOP from the inside would be a good use of time, but I fear it rotted from the inside out. I honestly don't think it can be fixed, but I could be wrong.

I think we need a new conservative party. That may split the vote in the short term and lead to electoral losses, which means it probably will never happen. But like I said, I think real patriots need to accept those short term losses for the good of the country.