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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby MoBettle » Fri Jan 18, 2019 00:18:30

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status ... 3922905089

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FLASHBACK:

Klobuchar: "A president persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction. Is that right?"
Barr: "Yes."

Klobuchar: "You also said that a president — or any person — convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. Is that right?"
Barr: "Yes."
Two days later I get a text back that says I'm a basketball player and a businessman, not a Thundercat.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Jan 18, 2019 00:18:54

threecount wrote:Nixon got impeached for this


Good thing for Trump that the GOP has the majority in the Senate and will continue to provide him with cover.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby CFP » Fri Jan 18, 2019 00:42:45

Totally clears the President. Thank you!

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Jan 18, 2019 00:48:05

MoBettle wrote:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1086114743922905089

@kylegriffin1
FLASHBACK:

Klobuchar: "A president persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction. Is that right?"
Barr: "Yes."

Klobuchar: "You also said that a president — or any person — convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. Is that right?"
Barr: "Yes."


She knew.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby threecount » Fri Jan 18, 2019 01:09:37

Trump: "This is a nothingberder." :lol: :lol:

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 18, 2019 01:16:57

Story seems like a big deal, like a potential game changer. A lot will hang on the specific details in the emails/texts/docs because Cohen has extremely limited credibility.

The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby joboggi » Fri Jan 18, 2019 01:35:10

Article of impeachment #4267

Don't worry they got this.

In other news Klobuchar tearfully explained why we should make her the next President while visiting our friend Steven Colbear

To be fair she just welled up a bit.

She also did not convince me.

Warren for President

Elizabeth, not Buffett

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby threecount » Fri Jan 18, 2019 01:45:10

My prediction is the only one that can beat Trump in those swing states is Joe Biden...

I think Biden announces he will serve just one term if elected and he picks a Beto or Kamala as a running mate once he wins nomination...

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby 06hawkalum » Fri Jan 18, 2019 01:49:47

threecount wrote:My prediction is the only one that can beat Trump in those swing states is Joe Biden...

I think Biden announces he will serve just one term if elected and he picks a Beto or Kamala as a running mate once he wins nomination...


I don't understand this perspective at all, although I would be fine with Joe.

Dems will be far more motivated in 2020 than they were in 2016 and Dump is deeply unpopular in PA, MI, and WI.

He won by a grand total of 80,000 in those states.

Just about any Dem that gets the nomination will get those 80,000 back and then some.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/tr ... l-ratings/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.market ... 8C470F8CAB

Those disapproval ratings are only going to get worse as the shutdown drags on. Pelosi is rubbing her hands with glee.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Jan 18, 2019 02:15:57

Trump isnt making it to re election

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby threecount » Fri Jan 18, 2019 02:21:01

Hope you both are right

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 07:28:30

jerseyhoya wrote:Story seems like a big deal, like a potential game changer. A lot will hang on the specific details in the emails/texts/docs because Cohen has extremely limited credibility.

The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.



Let’s put on our Rudy the lawyer Hat. ‘This proves Cohen is untrustworthy and a liar. Can’t trust that guy. If he's lying to congress, then he's a liar lying about lies.”

Who else knows? JarJar? Jr? Barbie? Probably his handler Melanie (brilliant of Putang to put the handler there with the anchor baby).
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby pacino » Fri Jan 18, 2019 07:45:09

thephan wrote:
CFP wrote:That Marino resignation is beyond sketchy right? He was on the transition team.


This Q keeps being asked, no answer. Not even pac who is good for pot shot in PA politics. Saw a comment saying ‘live boy or dead girl.’ Woof.

not sure; he and Barletta were the PA co-chairs for the campaign. the latter is just a moron, but Marino is a smart sleaze.

as Maddow would say, WATCH THIS SPACE
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 08:35:38

pacino wrote: WATCH THIS SPACE


Been staring at this and nothing happening. I'm feeling cheated.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby JUburton » Fri Jan 18, 2019 09:25:06

If this Buzzfeed piece is legit, then that is it. Probably the first real 'WE GOT HIM'.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby TomatoPie » Fri Jan 18, 2019 09:59:53

Monkeyboy wrote:Stein will go down in all of this if Mueller can follow the bread crumbs far enough


That would be the cherry on top
Kill the chicken to scare the monkey

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:15:19

JUburton wrote:If this Buzzfeed piece is legit, then that is it. Probably the first real 'WE GOT HIM'.


The spin is easy and obvious: Smart businessman keeping options open for his empire, why not. Of course everyone knew because they are all smart. This was private citizen stuff. Nothing to see here.

That has been test driven before. The base eats this shit for breakfast.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:18:22

Speaking of the base they are going to tear their arms off high fiving over shutting down Nancy. They are particularly stoked about the fact that the bus needed to be turned around. It was an all Dem PR trip according to them, and the GOP was shut out. Totally awesome.

Then they move on to AOC. Seriously, AforkingOC. You can smell the hatred and fear of Nancy and a freshman congresswoman.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:21:07

JUburton wrote:If this Buzzfeed piece is legit, then that is it. Probably the first real 'WE GOT HIM'.

Yeah, would say borderline 2nd depending on what evidence there is surrounding Trump's instructions to Cohen in paying off McDougal and Stormy.

Starting to see a little early pushback focusing (IF IT IS TRUE AND THE LYING, LIBERAL BUZZFEED HAS IT RIGHT) on the fact that Cohen's Trump influenced lies were before Congress, not a grand jury or other Judicial sphere. Which I'm not sure legally if there's a difference in punishment between lying to Congress and lying to a grand jury, but think there is in reality. People lie to Congress, Congress lies, everyone in politics is a liar, etc. therefore it's no surprise Trump told Cohen to lie about something that never even came to fruition anyway! How can you impeach Trump for something everyone does! Eric Holder! It's not a sturdy limb to hold onto, but if you're committed to the play you might grasp for it.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby JUburton » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:23:51

jerseyhoya wrote:
JUburton wrote:If this Buzzfeed piece is legit, then that is it. Probably the first real 'WE GOT HIM'.

Yeah, would say borderline 2nd depending on what evidence there is surrounding Trump's instructions to Cohen in paying off McDougal and Stormy.

Starting to see a little early pushback focusing (IF IT IS TRUE AND THE LYING, LIBERAL BUZZFEED HAS IT RIGHT) on the fact that Cohen's Trump influenced lies were before Congress, not a grand jury or other Judicial sphere. Which I'm not sure legally if there's a difference in punishment between lying to Congress and lying to a grand jury, but think there is in reality. People lie to Congress, Congress lies, everyone in politics is a liar, etc. therefore it's no surprise Trump told Cohen to lie about something that never even came to fruition anyway! How can you impeach Trump for something everyone does! Eric Holder! It's not a sturdy limb to hold onto, but if you're committed to the play you might grasp for it.
Pretty sure if's very much illegal to lie under oath to Congress. Roger Clemens was indicted for it!

[I'm not sure if you were saying you weren't sure or if the Trump defenders were. I assume the latter given I think this is exactly what Cohen has pleaded guilty to...]
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