Trump says he couldn't believe how complex the agricultural business is these days, with all the complex seeds and all. "People don't know this," he says.

JUburton wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2019/01/14/ice-loss-antarctica-has-sextupled-since-s-new-research-finds/?utm_term=.3fef0eda76c1

Not exactly politics but it should be: Ice loss from Antarctica has sextupled since the 1970s, new research finds

File under: sextupled, we're #$!&@, in the bad way

swishnicholson wrote:ur a weird guy

Monkeyboy wrote:anyone concerned that this shutdown thing is really the GOP finally coming through on their promise to drowned government in a bathtub?
A semi-permanent shutdown could do that. And if they can hold power, they could replace the entire top part of these agencies with career people who share their vision once they do reopen parts of these agencies.

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:anyone concerned that this shutdown thing is really the GOP finally coming through on their promise to drowned government in a bathtub?
A semi-permanent shutdown could do that. And if they can hold power, they could replace the entire top part of these agencies with career people who share their vision once they do reopen parts of these agencies.

Wut? The people who run the agencies are political appointees.

pacino wrote:We were given our 30 day notice of the possibility of furloughs. If this goes on much longer millions and millions will be out of work.

Monkeyboy wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:anyone concerned that this shutdown thing is really the GOP finally coming through on their promise to drowned government in a bathtub?
A semi-permanent shutdown could do that. And if they can hold power, they could replace the entire top part of these agencies with career people who share their vision once they do reopen parts of these agencies.

Wut? The people who run the agencies are political appointees.

Yes, but the people under them are largely not. If you want to purge those people, shutting down the govt for a long period and then refusing to pay them would be a good way to go about it. They can then replace a portion of the people who quit with toadies and declare a financial savings. You can do that if you don't care if things run well. I think we would do well to remember that Trump has been following the Turkey playbook. Erdogan changed Turkey in just a decade. Trump won't survive this whole thing, but the GOP could and there could be a likeminded GOPer coming behind him. He can't jail people like they did in Turkey, but he could get people to quit by not paying them. Watch the see if not paying anyone gets floated in the next week or two.

Defunding the govt is one way to cut out regulations and controls. This is also a possible way of doing it while consolidating power. If you remember the Bush admin, there were complaints that career jobs were being filled politically. I suspect that's happening now and it's lost in this whole mess of distractions. You could do it on a large scale if you can get a ton of people to quit.

slugsrbad wrote:King is getting stripped of all committee assignments

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:anyone concerned that this shutdown thing is really the GOP finally coming through on their promise to drowned government in a bathtub?
A semi-permanent shutdown could do that. And if they can hold power, they could replace the entire top part of these agencies with career people who share their vision once they do reopen parts of these agencies.

Wut? The people who run the agencies are political appointees.

Yes, but the people under them are largely not. If you want to purge those people, shutting down the govt for a long period and then refusing to pay them would be a good way to go about it. They can then replace a portion of the people who quit with toadies and declare a financial savings. You can do that if you don't care if things run well. I think we would do well to remember that Trump has been following the Turkey playbook. Erdogan changed Turkey in just a decade. Trump won't survive this whole thing, but the GOP could and there could be a likeminded GOPer coming behind him. He can't jail people like they did in Turkey, but he could get people to quit by not paying them. Watch the see if not paying anyone gets floated in the next week or two.

Defunding the govt is one way to cut out regulations and controls. This is also a possible way of doing it while consolidating power. If you remember the Bush admin, there were complaints that career jobs were being filled politically. I suspect that's happening now and it's lost in this whole mess of distractions. You could do it on a large scale if you can get a ton of people to quit.

I'm guessing you've never worked for the government. If you're not an appointee you're just a bureaucrat who falls in line. The shit rolls down hill. Defunding the govt won't cut out any regulation or controls without congressional approval. Forcing a lot of these people to quit can't easily be replaced. You can't just pick up tens of thousands engineers, mathematicians, accountants, and rocket scientists at the drop of a hat to work for a guy who just purged the government for shit pay. Stalin isn't running this shit show.