Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:16:36

Schumer's face when Trump says I'll take credit for the shut down is the best too. One of those is this really happening faces.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby swishnicholson » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:26:36

Monkeyboy wrote:I agree with all that. I think Trump offers a window into the problem. He's just so unbelievably transparent and commits so many crimes so openly that americans couldn't help but notice. Some still don't care, but as the veil is pulled back, I think many others will leave him. At some point, I'd like to think the calculus will change and the GOP will push him out. It doesn't solve the systemic problem, but at least we'll be rid of him. He's unpopular now, but wait until the recession hits. He's been propped up in part by a strong economy.


He's about as popular now as Obama,Clinton and Reagan were at this point in their presidencies. I realize that's not your main point,but it's good to check on since if one spends too much time on this thread it's easy to forget.

Also, I'm hoping the economy doesn't tank.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:33:03

Obama was 9 points higher. That's significant and not the same.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:35:50

I am completely shocked he is @ 41.9% aggregate approval (52% disapproval) per 538.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:41:45

CalvinBall wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Can't believe the WH thought it would be a good idea to broadcast that.

You say the WH as if there's some sort of organized decision making structure staffed with political professionals in place making these decisions as opposed to it being televised because Trump wanted it to be televised.


No you're right. It still shocks me sometimes, I guess. Pretty incredible glimpse into what he is like in the meetings he goes to behind closed doors.

Pelosi needing to explain that he doesn't have the votes in the house is incredible. He is just so, so clueless.


My dudes.... but the rating! Controlling the media for better or worse. Everybody is watching, that's "the" measure.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Dec 11, 2018 16:04:41

CalvinBall wrote:Obama was 9 points higher. That's significant and not the same.



swish only watches fox news

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby JFLNYC » Tue Dec 11, 2018 16:16:00

Bucky wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Obama was 9 points higher. That's significant and not the same.



swish only watches fox news


He was referring only to US citizens.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Squire » Tue Dec 11, 2018 17:36:25

Federal Judge in LA orders Stormy to pay Trump 289K in legal fees for her failed defamation action.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Dec 11, 2018 17:55:52

REAGAN JUDGE

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 11, 2018 17:57:17

Cameron Joseph @cam_joseph
Late to this but kind of amazing that @SenBillNelson’s campaign left $3.1M in the bank on election day. Political malpractice in a race that close.

lmao wtf

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Dec 11, 2018 18:01:37

can a candidate get paid? Seems sort of unfair if all the staffers can get paid

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Dec 11, 2018 18:19:42

jerseyhoya wrote:
Cameron Joseph @cam_joseph
Late to this but kind of amazing that @SenBillNelson’s campaign left $3.1M in the bank on election day. Political malpractice in a race that close.

lmao wtf


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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Squire » Tue Dec 11, 2018 18:54:29

Squire wrote:Federal Judge in LA orders Stormy to pay Trump 289K in legal fees for her failed defamation action.



Fulling expecting the argument that since he is getting 289K back and only had Cohen pay her 130K to shut up, that no Campaign laws were broken since he's net positive.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 11, 2018 18:56:24

Bucky wrote:can a candidate get paid? Seems sort of unfair if all the staffers can get paid

yes, its perfectly legal and allows those who aren't as wealthy to actually run for Congress. very few do as most who run are independently wealthy; they just accept tons of cash from big corporations and rich people in exchange for votes. TOTALLY DIFFERENT
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby swishnicholson » Wed Dec 12, 2018 00:27:41

CalvinBall wrote:Obama was 9 points higher. That's significant and not the same.


Not sure where you're getting that. I go by the 538 aggregate which has Trump at 41.9 approval and Obama at 44.5. He's within two points of Reagan (and will soon be ahead) and ahead of Clinton,so I'm sticking with my statement that his approval is close to all three. His approval rating has basically been steady for the last eight months with all that's happened. Who knows what the future will hold, but the narrative that many are turning away now that his character is revealed, or that he's historically unpopular, is simply not there.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Dec 12, 2018 02:48:03

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Also, I'm hoping the economy doesn't tank.



Me too, but I think we're headed to a recession. I mean, I'm surprised giving giant tax cuts to rich people didn't stimulate the economy, but here we are.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby pacino » Wed Dec 12, 2018 07:37:32

swishnicholson wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Obama was 9 points higher. That's significant and not the same.


Not sure where you're getting that. I go by the 538 aggregate which has Trump at 41.9 approval and Obama at 44.5. He's within two points of Reagan (and will soon be ahead) and ahead of Clinton,so I'm sticking with my statement that his approval is close to all three. His approval rating has basically been steady for the last eight months with all that's happened. Who knows what the future will hold, but the narrative that many are turning away now that his character is revealed, or that he's historically unpopular, is simply not there.

the difference is he's never been popular. there's not one instance where Trump has been popular. he lucked into the presidency and hasn't been liked since. he cannot claim enough legitimacy to ever merit a majority of the US backing him as their leader. clinton in his first term is the only one closest, and it made him a very weak president who was fairly rightwing as a result.

this is fairly unprecedented and there appears to be no way out of it for him.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Wed Dec 12, 2018 08:23:37

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump ... 2018-12-12

Just in case in wasn't obvious that the Huawei exec was arrested specifically to be used as a pawn in the trade negotiations.

Hmm...imprisoning a person of a different skin color to get what you want.

Anyone have a single doubt in their mind that, had he lived in America 200 years ago, Trump would have been one of the cruelest slave owners in the country?
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Dec 12, 2018 08:30:27

still is

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Dec 12, 2018 09:34:40

Asked about being impeached, Trump said, “I think that the people would revolt if that happened. … It’s hard to impeach somebody who hasn’t done anything wrong and who’s created the greatest economy in the history of our country." Is it me or did he just make a threat?

I wish someone would tell him the USA doesn't negotiate with terrorists. I mean, we do, but I wish someone would tell him that to see his reaction.
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