Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Dec 11, 2018 07:29:07

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 08:02:15

Sorry, it's a summary and conjecture about these two articles:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ell-215528

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ar ... nt-lawsuit

Basically, Jerry Falwell, his son, and wife became friendly with a 21 year old pool boy and helped him buy a flophouse/youth hostel because they wanted him to be able to earn some money. They flew him on a private jet and some other weirdness. That alone is strange enough and there is a lawsuit surrounding the whole venture.... Then this...

But then Michael Cohen comes into the picture.

According to Roston, it was Cohen who engineered Falwell’s critical endorsement of Trump in January 2016. Now, Cohen has a profile in the New York City real estate world. He’s kind of connected in the New York City media world. And he’s had business interests in South Florida. But how he connects up with the Falwell family or evangelical politics is really not at all clear, to put it mildly.

Here are some more paragraphs …

Trump’s fixer Michael Cohen, who is now facing a federal criminal investigation, helped arrange Falwell Jr.’s endorsement of Trump in January 2016, BuzzFeed News has learned.

The relationship between Cohen and Falwell Jr. has not been previously reported, but the two have been acquainted since 2012, according to a source with direct knowledge of Falwell’s decision to endorse Trump. The source, a high-ranking official at Liberty University, said that Falwell Jr. occasionally visited Cohen’s office in New York City but that there was no business relationship between the two men.

According to a separate source with knowledge of Trump’s campaign, Cohen was so confident in Falwell Jr.’s support that he and Trump assured others, even before Trump announced his candidacy, that Falwell Jr. would issue an endorsement.



It was Michael Cohen who reached out to Falwell Jr. to urge him to actually endorse Trump during that visit, according to the source familiar with Falwell’s decision. He reached out to Falwell Jr. again after the visit to remind him he had agreed to endorse Trump, the source wrote in an email to BuzzFeed News.

Remember that Michael Cohen swooped in when Elliott Broidy, the top Trump supporter and money man, suddenly had a former mistress threatening to go public with the fact that she was pregnant with his child.


I think there are some threads to pull here.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 08:07:23

I would add that it could be a hit piece on Cohen. The timing is right and obviously there are some people who know things about Cohen and are angry about him flipping on Trump.

Also, as an aside, Cohen has still refused to cooperate on any additional crimes he may have committed in NY. He's still covering for someone and it's someone he's willing/going to go to jail for.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 11, 2018 09:21:45

Asked if he had any concerns that Trump was implicated, Hatch told CNN: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president.” Informed it was alleged by federal prosecutors in New York, Hatch said: “OK, but I don’t care, all I can say is he’s doing a good job as president.” […]

“I don’t think he was involved in crimes but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the current laws if you want to, you can blow it way out of proportion, you can do a lot of things.”
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Dec 11, 2018 09:33:39

The Trump knob-slobbing from some GOPers is absolutely embarrassing.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Tue Dec 11, 2018 09:35:06

pacino wrote:
Asked if he had any concerns that Trump was implicated, Hatch told CNN: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president.” Informed it was alleged by federal prosecutors in New York, Hatch said: “OK, but I don’t care, all I can say is he’s doing a good job as president.” […]

“I don’t think he was involved in crimes but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the current laws if you want to, you can blow it way out of proportion, you can do a lot of things.”


Your 2018 GOP: "If our guy did it, it's not a crime."

My question is, what does Hatch have to gain by continuing to fellatiate Trump?

Is he truly retiring from public life or is he gunning for a cabinet position or CoS?
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 09:43:50

This scandal runs deeper than Trump and his family. There's a rot in the GOP and this Butina thing and the Trump stuff threatens to expose it all. It seems like they are scared shitless and think the only way they can survive is by changing what is perceived as illegal. They'll keep moving the goalposts until Trump really can shoot someone on 5th Ave without anyone blinking.

Fortunately, so far, law enforcement and the courts are doing their jobs, but that's not guaranteed. The constitutional crisis will be upon us soon enough. I thnk Mueller is running the watergate playbook, but the criminals will try to adjust.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Dec 11, 2018 09:48:14

"Well, I'm not even sure that's a crime anymore. There have been a lot of changes in the law." - Fletch F. Fletch

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:10:20

Thanks Monkeyboy. Odd and interesting for sure. About par for the course with DJT.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:17:01

Congrats to E. Lampeter for making the Philly paper with its story of Crazy and its One Vote, One Man, One Tax Collector problem. TL;DR is the guy writes himself into a defunct position, and proceeds to do a horrible job while defending his legitimacy in the proud tradition of self representation via conspiracy theory and chaff. Its all bananas, so just read it.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:11:52

"This great nation can tolerate a President who makes mistakes. But it cannot tolerate one who makes a mistake and then breaks the law to cover it up." - Orrin Hatch, voting to convict then-President Bill Clinton in the 1999 Senate impeachment trial.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:21:08

Monkeyboy wrote:This scandal runs deeper than Trump and his family. There's a rot in the GOP and this Butina thing and the Trump stuff threatens to expose it all. It seems like they are scared shitless and think the only way they can survive is by changing what is perceived as illegal. They'll keep moving the goalposts until Trump really can shoot someone on 5th Ave without anyone blinking.

Fortunately, so far, law enforcement and the courts are doing their jobs, but that's not guaranteed. The constitutional crisis will be upon us soon enough. I thnk Mueller is running the watergate playbook, but the criminals will try to adjust.



Trump is a symptom, not a cause of the rot. There are no prominent Republicans doing anything about Trump, other than offering their loyalty and support, because he's really no different from them.

More broadly, there have been two interesting trends on the right. The first is the shift from Reagan's optimistic conservative to a deeply dark and pessimistic, near apocalyptic one. (Ironically, this shift corresponds with the victory in the cold war--perhaps conservatism does need enemies.)

Somewhat related though is the pretty strong repudiation of neo-conservatism. The Weekly Standard looks to be shutting down, and thus the factional fight on the right has been won. This is probably a good thing--I find it persuasive that Bush's invasion of Iraq is still worse than anything Trump has done.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:30:55

TenuredVulture wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:This scandal runs deeper than Trump and his family. There's a rot in the GOP and this Butina thing and the Trump stuff threatens to expose it all. It seems like they are scared shitless and think the only way they can survive is by changing what is perceived as illegal. They'll keep moving the goalposts until Trump really can shoot someone on 5th Ave without anyone blinking.

Fortunately, so far, law enforcement and the courts are doing their jobs, but that's not guaranteed. The constitutional crisis will be upon us soon enough. I thnk Mueller is running the watergate playbook, but the criminals will try to adjust.



Trump is a symptom, not a cause of the rot. There are no prominent Republicans doing anything about Trump, other than offering their loyalty and support, because he's really no different from them.

More broadly, there have been two interesting trends on the right. The first is the shift from Reagan's optimistic conservative to a deeply dark and pessimistic, near apocalyptic one. (Ironically, this shift corresponds with the victory in the cold war--perhaps conservatism does need enemies.)

Somewhat related though is the pretty strong repudiation of neo-conservatism. The Weekly Standard looks to be shutting down, and thus the factional fight on the right has been won. This is probably a good thing--I find it persuasive that Bush's invasion of Iraq is still worse than anything Trump has done.


I agree with all that. I think Trump offers a window into the problem. He's just so unbelievably transparent and commits so many crimes so openly that americans couldn't help but notice. Some still don't care, but as the veil is pulled back, I think many others will leave him. At some point, I'd like to think the calculus will change and the GOP will push him out. It doesn't solve the systemic problem, but at least we'll be rid of him. He's unpopular now, but wait until the recession hits. He's been propped up in part by a strong economy.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 11, 2018 13:26:56

Trump stated he wants to shut down the government for his stupid border wall and also says you can blame him.
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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby CFP » Tue Dec 11, 2018 13:47:16

I think Pelosi basically saved him any further on-camera embarrassment. Meanwhile the best thing Chuck Schumer has done in the past few months is get out of the way and let Trump give that soundbite.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 11, 2018 13:50:15

CFP wrote:I think Pelosi basically saved him any further on-camera embarrassment. Meanwhile the best thing Chuck Schumer has done in the past few months is get out of the way and let Trump give that soundbite.

Schumer baited Trump into it and also trolled him on the Senate map. He knows how to push Trump's buttons, not that its rocket science.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Dec 11, 2018 14:29:53

Can't believe the WH thought it would be a good idea to broadcast that.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 11, 2018 14:59:06

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:04:06

CalvinBall wrote:Can't believe the WH thought it would be a good idea to broadcast that.

You say the WH as if there's some sort of organized decision making structure staffed with political professionals in place making these decisions as opposed to it being televised because Trump wanted it to be televised.

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Re: Florida does a recount and Al Gore wins: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Dec 11, 2018 15:08:14

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Can't believe the WH thought it would be a good idea to broadcast that.

You say the WH as if there's some sort of organized decision making structure staffed with political professionals in place making these decisions as opposed to it being televised because Trump wanted it to be televised.


No you're right. It still shocks me sometimes, I guess. Pretty incredible glimpse into what he is like in the meetings he goes to behind closed doors.

Pelosi needing to explain that he doesn't have the votes in the house is incredible. He is just so, so clueless.

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