pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:way too many polling places use hackable machines with no paper trail to recount. Reps will win those places. InGeorgia, those machines tend to be in dem areas. Probably the same way in other states. Connect the dots.

most of PA uses old machines with no paper trail but it hasn't been much of a real issue. The issue is access to the ballot, not the ballot itself. stop fear mongering this when there is something VERY REAL we can work on that is actually happening.

jamiethekiller wrote:Love spotting all your signs when I'm out running errands

Monkeyboy wrote:

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:way too many polling places use hackable machines with no paper trail to recount. Reps will win those places. InGeorgia, those machines tend to be in dem areas. Probably the same way in other states. Connect the dots.

most of PA uses old machines with no paper trail but it hasn't been much of a real issue. The issue is access to the ballot, not the ballot itself. stop fear mongering this when there is something VERY REAL we can work on that is actually happening.

I'm not fear mongering. I'm genuinely concerned about it, and I'm not suggesting we don''t do the other things to help. I'm capable of multi-tasking.

I think they have a HUGE incentive to cheat in whatever way they think they can get away with. People are literally going to go to jail in this administration if and when the dems win the House. They have shown zero pause in stepping over every line if it helps them to win and stay in power. There is also evidence that these machines are very easy to hack and we know that there are sophisticated groups from Russia that have already hacked into our voting apparatus. I have to ask why you are not afraid of it happening? The alarm should be raised so we can be proactive on election day rather than reactive if something happens.

In any case, having paper trails for election results is one of the first things dems should do if and when they regain power. Making sure this is in people's minds is not fear mongering, imho.

jamiethekiller wrote:Love spotting all your signs when I'm out running errands

Squire wrote:I don't see how this market correction doesn't stick on Trump but maybe I'm kidding myself.

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:way too many polling places use hackable machines with no paper trail to recount. Reps will win those places. InGeorgia, those machines tend to be in dem areas. Probably the same way in other states. Connect the dots.

most of PA uses old machines with no paper trail but it hasn't been much of a real issue. The issue is access to the ballot, not the ballot itself. stop fear mongering this when there is something VERY REAL we can work on that is actually happening.

I'm not fear mongering. I'm genuinely concerned about it, and I'm not suggesting we don''t do the other things to help. I'm capable of multi-tasking.

I think they have a HUGE incentive to cheat in whatever way they think they can get away with. People are literally going to go to jail in this administration if and when the dems win the House. They have shown zero pause in stepping over every line if it helps them to win and stay in power. There is also evidence that these machines are very easy to hack and we know that there are sophisticated groups from Russia that have already hacked into our voting apparatus. I have to ask why you are not afraid of it happening? The alarm should be raised so we can be proactive on election day rather than reactive if something happens.

In any case, having paper trails for election results is one of the first things dems should do if and when they regain power. Making sure this is in people's minds is not fear mongering, imho.

I'm actually on the ground with our local groups learning and researching it. I've spoken with our election services, met w the county commissioner most involved, have gotten updates on the machines currently in use, the machines to be bid on, and the process for rolling them out come next election. You are acting as if nothing is being done. People are doing all sorts of stuff; they just aren't giving it to Seth Abramson or whoever to bloviate on Twitter about it.

Monkeyboy wrote:

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:way too many polling places use hackable machines with no paper trail to recount. Reps will win those places. InGeorgia, those machines tend to be in dem areas. Probably the same way in other states. Connect the dots.

most of PA uses old machines with no paper trail but it hasn't been much of a real issue. The issue is access to the ballot, not the ballot itself. stop fear mongering this when there is something VERY REAL we can work on that is actually happening.

I'm not fear mongering. I'm genuinely concerned about it, and I'm not suggesting we don''t do the other things to help. I'm capable of multi-tasking.

I think they have a HUGE incentive to cheat in whatever way they think they can get away with. People are literally going to go to jail in this administration if and when the dems win the House. They have shown zero pause in stepping over every line if it helps them to win and stay in power. There is also evidence that these machines are very easy to hack and we know that there are sophisticated groups from Russia that have already hacked into our voting apparatus. I have to ask why you are not afraid of it happening? The alarm should be raised so we can be proactive on election day rather than reactive if something happens.

In any case, having paper trails for election results is one of the first things dems should do if and when they regain power. Making sure this is in people's minds is not fear mongering, imho.

I'm actually on the ground with our local groups learning and researching it. I've spoken with our election services, met w the county commissioner most involved, have gotten updates on the machines currently in use, the machines to be bid on, and the process for rolling them out come next election. You are acting as if nothing is being done. People are doing all sorts of stuff; they just aren't giving it to Seth Abramson or whoever to bloviate on Twitter about it.

This is confusing, Pac. First, I don't have a tracker on you (yet), so I had no idea you were doing these things. Second, you've just shown that me making a post on a message board hasn't stopped you from addressing the problem or do anything else that you might find useful. Third, you've just shown that it is an important thing (otherwise, you were wasting your time) and I would think that informing people about the problem would be one step in addressing the problem that you obviously think is important enough to spend time doing something about. And fourth, you are not the only person in the world and not everyone may be as informed as you, so maybe me saying something about it isn't a terrible thing.

Your post amounts to saying, "Hey, I know I've spent hours and hours learning about and addressing this problem, but don't waste 15 seconds of anyone's time talking about that problem on a message board." Weird.

CalvinBall wrote:Is there a good site to see all polls from one congressional district?

heyeaglefn wrote:Do signs in yards accomplish much? Other than letting people know who you support can't imagine signs influence people.

Stripes wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

pacino wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:way too many polling places use hackable machines with no paper trail to recount. Reps will win those places. InGeorgia, those machines tend to be in dem areas. Probably the same way in other states. Connect the dots.

most of PA uses old machines with no paper trail but it hasn't been much of a real issue. The issue is access to the ballot, not the ballot itself. stop fear mongering this when there is something VERY REAL we can work on that is actually happening.

I'm not fear mongering. I'm genuinely concerned about it, and I'm not suggesting we don''t do the other things to help. I'm capable of multi-tasking.

I think they have a HUGE incentive to cheat in whatever way they think they can get away with. People are literally going to go to jail in this administration if and when the dems win the House. They have shown zero pause in stepping over every line if it helps them to win and stay in power. There is also evidence that these machines are very easy to hack and we know that there are sophisticated groups from Russia that have already hacked into our voting apparatus. I have to ask why you are not afraid of it happening? The alarm should be raised so we can be proactive on election day rather than reactive if something happens.

In any case, having paper trails for election results is one of the first things dems should do if and when they regain power. Making sure this is in people's minds is not fear mongering, imho.

I'm actually on the ground with our local groups learning and researching it. I've spoken with our election services, met w the county commissioner most involved, have gotten updates on the machines currently in use, the machines to be bid on, and the process for rolling them out come next election. You are acting as if nothing is being done. People are doing all sorts of stuff; they just aren't giving it to Seth Abramson or whoever to bloviate on Twitter about it.

This is confusing, Pac. First, I don't have a tracker on you (yet), so I had no idea you were doing these things. Second, you've just shown that me making a post on a message board hasn't stopped you from addressing the problem or do anything else that you might find useful. Third, you've just shown that it is an important thing (otherwise, you were wasting your time) and I would think that informing people about the problem would be one step in addressing the problem that you obviously think is important enough to spend time doing something about. And fourth, you are not the only person in the world and not everyone may be as informed as you, so maybe me saying something about it isn't a terrible thing.

Your post amounts to saying, "Hey, I know I've spent hours and hours learning about and addressing this problem, but don't waste 15 seconds of anyone's time talking about that problem on a message board." Weird.

You're so worried about the machines, but y'all don't want voter ID. Weird. And confusing.

Stripes wrote:You're so worried about the machines, but y'all don't want voter ID. Weird. And confusing.

joboggi wrote:

Squire wrote:I don't see how this market correction doesn't stick on Trump but maybe I'm kidding myself.

The crash has not quite happened yet. Give it a few days.