SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby Soren » Tue Aug 07, 2018 08:39:56

Apparently the EU decided to tell businesses based in Europe that they should ignore the US sanctions of Iran, but the only source I could find for that is in French

L'Union européenne a annoncé ce lundi qu'elle allait activer, dès mardi matin, la "loi de blocage" qui protège les entreprises européennes des sanctions américaines. Ce dispositif empêche toute entreprise basée dans l'UE de se conformer à des sanctions venues de l'étranger. Mais il n'a jamais été réellement éprouvé.


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The EU has announced this Monday that it has enacted, effective Tuesday morning, the "blocking law" that protects EU businesses from [the new] American sanctions. This prevents all EU based businesses from complying with sanctions imposed by Foreign nations, but this was never truly tested.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby Wizlah » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:12:57

Soren wrote:Apparently the EU decided to tell businesses based in Europe that they should ignore the US sanctions of Iran, but the only source I could find for that is in French


English Press release from European Commission on Europa: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4805_en.htm. Links to Guidance Notes, but if y'all are to lazy, the link to the notes is here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content ... LL&from=EN

The updated regulation in question. It's not one I know, but I'm an aspiring human rights legal scholar, not an expert on trade issues:

"On 7 August the Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2018/1100 (1) entered into force. This Delegated Regulation
amended the Annex to Council Regulation (EC) No 2271/96 of 22 November1996 protecting against the effects of extra-territorial application of legislation adopted by a third country, and actions based thereon or resulting therefrom (2) (‘Blocking Statute).[/quote][/quote]

it's a pretty big deal, I think. As the UK is currently finding out, threatening to back out of international agreements (HELLLOOO GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT, Y'ALL) is a spectacularly dumb nuclear option. Coming off the back of leaving the Human Rights Committee and that bullshit Trump dropped at the UN General Assembly last year, its makes me start to question how far the US' reputational standing will slide internationally if he keeps breaking treaties. The wording on that press release is clear. The EU 27 are committed to supporting that treaty, and if you, a commercial organisation, want to back out, you're risking court action in the CJEU. Given the resolution the EU27 are showing in the Brexit negotiations, the smack they've been dropping and will get dropped further under GDPR, if I'm a company selling to both Iran and the US, I'm giving serious thought to listening to Trump.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:16:44

Soren wrote:Apparently the EU decided to tell businesses based in Europe that they should ignore the US sanctions of Iran, but the only source I could find for that is in French

L'Union européenne a annoncé ce lundi qu'elle allait activer, dès mardi matin, la "loi de blocage" qui protège les entreprises européennes des sanctions américaines. Ce dispositif empêche toute entreprise basée dans l'UE de se conformer à des sanctions venues de l'étranger. Mais il n'a jamais été réellement éprouvé.


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The EU has announced this Monday that it has enacted, effective Tuesday morning, the "blocking law" that protects EU businesses from [the new] American sanctions. This prevents all EU based businesses from complying with sanctions imposed by Foreign nations, but this was never truly tested.

I think thw economist had something about it.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby Wizlah » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:19:57

pacino wrote:It was never about illegal immigration;that was simply the cover:


It's an old play. Countries all over the EU were pulling this back in the 1990s when there was a spike in migration and asylum applications by refugees. The UK version was to make the country a uniquely hostile environment to refugees seeking asylum, and put off having people come to the UK. Before my hard drive died, I had dug up a good, if profoundly depressing, paper on how these actions are all about the perception of managing migration, whilst most western economies are more than happy to use illegal migrants as part of their workforce, and indeed have little choice. The common analogy is to look at the migration from poorer EEC countries to the well-developed economies in 60s, or going back further, youse lot being more than happy to take in wretched starving irish people (and all those other nice immigrants) in the second half of the 19th century.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby thephan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:33:42

I cannot see how accessing ObamaCare could disqualify since it was the law that if you had any form of legal status you needed to have coverage.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby Wizlah » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:39:52

thephan wrote:I cannot see how accessing ObamaCare could disqualify since it was the law that if you had any form of legal status you needed to have coverage.


Can’t speak with authority as to the scope of obamacare beyond American citizens, but as a general rule, third d country economic migrants have very, very few rights afforded to them beyond what legislation allows them. So I should imagine it would be easy enough to say availing of obamacare was illegal.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:39:52

still hard to wrap my head around the fact that some similar aged, absolute privileged, friendless, loser basically in control of immigration policy for the united states.

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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby WheelsFellOff » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:40:17

Never read Catch 22, eh?
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby Wizlah » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:47:10

To date, I have found reading international migration law the single most depressing topic in my masters. Give me state sanctioned torture and mass graves any day.

Which is a short way of saying you can blame it on Trump if you like, but open attitudes to immigration in government are the exception and not the norm. We all unknowingly shit on people who aren’t us when they work in our country.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby thephan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 09:55:54

CalvinBall wrote:still hard to wrap my head around the fact that some similar aged, absolute privileged, friendless, loser basically in control of immigration policy for the united states.


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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:01:12

CalvinBall wrote:still hard to wrap my head around the fact that some similar aged, absolute privileged, friendless, loser basically in control of immigration policy for the united states.

i wish i was in control of immigration policy; i only get this here board
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby thephan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:30:46

Wilbur Ross seems to have swindles ~$120M from his fellow investors. Got booted form the Forbes list because his federal forms disclosed he lied about his wealth, settled with someone else he cheated for $4M, and now this. He does not even seem to be a competent conman.

“He’s a pathological liar,” a former colleague told the [Forbes] magazine.
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby thephan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:00:18

Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano wrote:“So if there was an agreement to receive dirt on Hillary from the Russians, even if the dirt never came, if those who agreed, at least one of them, took some step in furtherance of the agreement, then there is the potential crime for conspiracy”


With friends like these DJT, amiright?
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby momadance » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:02:28

Poor snowflakes out there trying to Red Hen the Green Eggs Cafe today.

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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby 1 » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:33:09

Fine. You wanna act like you're two? I'll act like I'm one.

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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Aug 07, 2018 13:39:15

one might say he was mad online
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Aug 07, 2018 15:57:32

momadance wrote:Poor snowflakes out there trying to Red Hen the Green Eggs Cafe today.


Why do these people hold their conferences in liberal coastal elite cities?

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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby thephan » Tue Aug 07, 2018 16:02:19

as of July 16, 2018, Trump has spent 170 out of 543 days staying at his own properties, and on May 28, 2018, he topped his 102nd golf trip, less than 500 days into his administration—a milestone it took Obama more than 1,200 days to hit.


doing more then Obama... crushing those OOO and on the course records. FORE!
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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Tue Aug 07, 2018 19:46:24

My shot in the dark for tonight: GOPer wins by under 1% and gets less than the combined vote of the Dem+Green Party guy.

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Re: SharkNATO VII: Russia's Revenge (Politics Thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Aug 07, 2018 20:08:54

jerseyhoya wrote:My shot in the dark for tonight: GOPer wins by under 1% and gets less than the combined vote of the Dem+Green Party guy.

Green party guy on the ballot in PA for both the senate and governor; good chance Gov could get 5% in a few southeast counties judging off how people voted for a statewide green in the past. :q
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