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Unread postby CalvinBall » Sat Jun 09, 2018 19:18:55

Now he's calling PM JT a liar. Wonderful.

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Sat Jun 09, 2018 19:26:45

Really thrilled that he is destroying relationship with the few countries we are cool with.

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Sat Jun 09, 2018 19:32:32

and that plays perfectly with his base, who are naive enough to think that the world revolves around the U.S.

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Sat Jun 09, 2018 19:46:15

so he's bitching about Dairy tariffs and those were apparently addressed in TPP... which he withdrew from
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby Wheels Tupay » Sat Jun 09, 2018 21:53:25

slugsrbad wrote:so he's bitching about Dairy tariffs and those were apparently addressed in TPP... which he withdrew from


Only partly, there is a certain quota that canada allows before tariffs that range from 245-298% are put in place. This has been an issue that the US government has brought up with Canada for years.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 05:12:36

Bad news & some good about immigrants in the US.

A migrant father separated from his wife and child at the US-Mexico border had a breakdown at a Texas jail and took his own life



A New York federal judge on Saturday blocked officials from deporting a Brooklyn pizza deliveryman who was detained by immigration authorities when he tried to deliver an order to a military base, his attorneys said.


I also saw a story late last week that had a DACA deportee murdered in a country they were returned to.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 05:19:44

clearly Trumps relationship is a 10 with world leaders. This absolutely amazing photo in the article tells you the truth behind that alternative fact.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby Phred » Sun Jun 10, 2018 07:24:23

thephan wrote:Bad news & some good about immigrants in the US.

A migrant father separated from his wife and child at the US-Mexico border had a breakdown at a Texas jail and took his own life



A New York federal judge on Saturday blocked officials from deporting a Brooklyn pizza deliveryman who was detained by immigration authorities when he tried to deliver an order to a military base, his attorneys said.


I also saw a story late last week that had a DACA deportee murdered in a country they were returned to.


Sadly, it depends on which side you are on to determine which is the good news and which is the bad.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby traderdave » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:29:14

thephan wrote:clearly Trumps relationship is a 10 with world leaders. This absolutely amazing photo in the article tells you the truth behind that alternative fact.


What a pompous dick Trump is. This will look awesome contrasted against the "all-smiles" photo we'll see of him and Kim in a couple of days.

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sun Jun 10, 2018 13:06:49

traderdave wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/status/1005102754447097856

What an embarrassment Trump is.


Well, at least he cleared up the difference between the G-8 and the G-7 for us. Seriously though, how do foreign leaders look this imbecile in the eye and not burst out laughing?



Because he's a genuine threat to world stability.

He's a cuck. Any chance that he wasn't is now gone. He's trying to get russia back into the G7 and he's attacking Canada. He's trying to splinter the group of nations most responsible for the relative peace we've had for the past 70 years. The US must be a balance to Chinese and Russian authoritarianism. If we're out of the game, democracies everywhere are in trouble.

I have linked to Talking memo a lot, but this really captures what I was thinking when I saw the G7 and canadian stuff.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/we ... ig-problem

The last twenty four hours of attacks on our closest allies capped by President Trump’s seemingly out of the blue demand to bring Russia back into the G-7 (making it again the G-8 which it was for most of the post-Cold War era until Russia was expelled over the annexation of Crimea) simply brings the matter into a newly sharp relief. If candidate Trump and President Putin had made a corrupt bargain which obligated President Trump to destabilize all U.S. security and trade alliances (especially NATO, which has been Russia’s primary strategic goal for 70 years) and advance the strategic interests of Russia, there’s really nothing more remotely realistic he could have done to accomplish that than what he has in fact done.

Take a moment to let that sink in. I need to take a moment to let it sink in. It’s shocking to me. It’s shocking to me what’s happening. Now I said above “remotely realistic.” A critic of what I wrote above might note that Trump could, in fact, have taken steps to abrogate the NATO treaty commitments. He might have said publicly that the U.S. would not aid the Baltic states or Poland against a Russian invasion. We can also note that he has approved very limited sale of weaponry to Ukraine, which is of course still battling Russian proxy forces in the eastern part of the country. But the things he could have done but has not done really to me fall into the category of things that are unnecessary and probably still beyond what the President could remotely get away with.

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Back to the main point. We have a President who clearly got a great deal of assistance from Russia in getting elected. We can argue about how important it was to his victory. But the reality of the help is not in any real dispute. His campaign at a minimum had numerous highly suspicious contacts with people either in the Russian government or acting on behalf of the Russian government while that was happening. That is a very generous interpretation. He’s doing all the stuff he’d have been asked to do if such a corrupt bargain had been made. At a certain point – and I’d say we’re clearly at or past that point – it really doesn’t matter whether we can prove such a bargain was made. I’m not even sure it matters whether it was explicit or even happened. The bank robber helped the teller get the job and now the teller just won’t seem to lock the safe or even turn on the alarm. We can debate forever whether the teller is just absent-minded or has some odd philosophical aversion toward locks. The debate may be unresolvable. It truly doesn’t matter.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Sun Jun 10, 2018 18:33:11


“This is history,” Huntsman said over video showing Trump arriving in Singapore ahead of Tuesday’s meeting with Kim.

“Regardless of what happens in that meeting between the two dictators, what we are seeing right now ― this is history,” she continued.




Fox & Friends. She corrected her self later, but what a moment of honesty.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Sun Jun 10, 2018 18:58:30

About 24 hours from now Trump will be meeting with a ruthless, evil dictator. He can't even manage relationships with the leaders of our closest allies. I'm sure this will go well.

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Mon Jun 11, 2018 01:38:29

CalvinBall wrote:About 24 hours from now Trump will be meeting with a ruthless, evil dictator. He can't even manage relationships with the leaders of our closest allies. I'm sure this will go well.



Putin has probably already instructed Kim to make enough concessions to make the donald look good.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby Rockinghorse » Mon Jun 11, 2018 07:16:41

It's just a photo/video opp. Both will go home and claim they got exactly what they wanted, and neither will take any meaningful actions afterwards. The general public will eventually forget about the whole episode rather than realizing it was a sham. Good politics on both sides, gotta admit

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Mon Jun 11, 2018 07:32:36

Rockinghorse wrote:It's just a photo/video opp. Both will go home and claim they got exactly what they wanted, and neither will take any meaningful actions afterwards. The general public will eventually forget about the whole episode rather than realizing it was a sham. Good politics on both sides, gotta admit


Legitimizing the North Korean Dictator without getting anything in return is not good politics, and hopefully something that will be remembered.

Trump can try and lower expectations as much as he wants, but just by showing up to meet Kim Jong-un he's giving up a lot.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 08:34:08

Too late for that slugs. Team Trump has already created legitimacy.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon Jun 11, 2018 09:07:02

Italy's new interior minister Matteo Salvini who promised a hard line on immigration has blocked a boat carrying almost 630 refugees from docking in any Italian harbor and insists that Malta take the migrants. Malta returning the favor has closed its ports.

Italy seems enthusiastic to embrace a Trump flavor world.
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Jun 11, 2018 09:12:37

Today might be Janus vs AFSCME day
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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby traderdave » Mon Jun 11, 2018 09:12:49

CalvinBall wrote:About 24 hours from now Trump will be meeting with a ruthless, evil dictator. He can't even manage relationships with the leaders of our closest allies. I'm sure this will go well.


And, of course, let us not forget the GOP's reaction to Obama meeting with Raul Castro:

Jeb Bush
“Obama meets with Castro but refused to meet w/ [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu]. Why legitimize a cruel dictator of a repressive regime?”

Marco Rubio
“Allowing a brutal dictator to attend undermines the future of democracy in the region”

Ted Cruz
Cruz said the meeting is one more step in a “disturbing trend” of the administration engaging with Cuba. “The President said today that his unprecedented meeting with Raul Castro was a step towards the future. Unfortunately, he is leaving the Cuban people imprisoned in the past." “It gives them exactly what they want — legitimacy on the international stage — and effectively abandons the pro-U.S. opposition,” he said. “Obama is willing to do what nine previous presidents of both parties would not: cave to a communist dictator in our own hemisphere.”

Lindsey Graham
“Obama’s foreign policy has been one appeasement toward autocratic dictators, thugs and adversaries,” he said in a statement Friday. “Is it any wonder that on President Obama’s watch our enemies are emboldened and our friends demoralized?”

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Re: DSPA Blooms: Women Can Win Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon Jun 11, 2018 09:13:03

thephan wrote:Italy's new interior minister Matteo Salvini who promised a hard line on immigration has blocked a boat carrying almost 630 refugees from docking in any Italian harbor and insists that Malta take the migrants. Malta returning the favor has closed its ports.

Italy seems enthusiastic to embrace a Trump flavor world.

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