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by **Monkeyboy** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 23:50:09

So how long before this jackson thing becomes Obama's fault? There were apparently signs of problems back in 2012. With Jackson possibly giving out drugs inappropriately, it won't be long before it's said that he was Obama's dealer in the WH. Dog whistles will be everywhere.

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Apr 24, 2018 23:51:49

With all precincts reporting, Steve Stern (D) has bested Janet Smitelli (R) for a Suffolk County #nyassembly seat. Has been in GOP hands since 1978.

by **slugsrbad** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 06:23:18

TenuredVulture wrote:Harry Enten seems to thing JH is wrong and AZ 8 is might be even closer than that. But still, a Trumpy is likely to win. Lots of old white people in Arizona.

It's probably sadly relevant that the Dems ran a person who was unwhite also.

The historical margin of AZ8 makes it seems that if people truly were motivated by Trump's rhetoric and racism that this seat would not have been close. It's hard to claim moral victory in any aspect of life, but Dems continually beat the '16 margin across the nation. This is a very good sign for taking the House back in 2018.

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 07:50:56

Monkeyboy wrote:So how long before this jackson thing becomes Obama's fault? There were apparently signs of problems back in 2012. With Jackson possibly giving out drugs inappropriately, it won't be long before it's said that he was Obama's dealer in the WH. Dog whistles will be everywhere.

Its already his fault. The strong defense of Jackson that kicked off last night includes mention of Obama ambiguously favoring Jackson. I say ambiguously because, of course, Obama was not stupid enough to mistake a doctor who clearly favors a bit of flattery for a chief executive capable of running a murderously complex healthcare network, and thus did not position him to run more then a medical office.

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 07:59:39

thephan wrote:Scott Pruitt is finally catching on fire after slowly smoldering for weeks. It seems like they might want him up on the hill sooner than later to answer some questions, and they might want to kick off a full-fledged investigation.

Now the WH is getting uncomfortable that this will not go away no matter what weight is thrown behind ol' Scotty. There are reports about how long they can logically wait to shift him before his problems become their problem. The play seems to be that someone at EPA told the boss that there were no ethics issues paying $50/night for a bed. Problem is that it might have been both more then a bed, and he might not have honored his part of the contract where you pay for services rendered. Then there are questions about his daughter staying there w/o paying, and, if you believe the lobbyist/owner, without permission. Past that, there was a failure to disclose the landlord is/was a lobbyist. Then there was that mysterious coincidence trip to push US LNG to foreign nations, where the only LNG export capabilities are owned by the condo owner's client, while pitching petro chemical exports is not part of the EPA's mission. Perhaps lastly, if it was all on the up and up, why is the owner of the condo suddenly retiring from his power lobbyist lifestyle?

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 09:43:23

thephan wrote:and as I said last page, Doc Jackson seemed completely taken by surprise at the nomination, so he literally had nothing to do with it. Now that there is sunlight on him , he might end up losing his career depending on what the negative info is. Great job Don.

Since his decision to fight for his right to the nomination, I do no feel bad at all any more. Let the good admiral go down with his ship, The Folly.

by **TenuredVulture** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 09:57:45

I don't feel bad for anyone who gets in bed with Trump. The pattern is obvious to anyone--working with Trump is a good way to ruin a career. Only the stupid and the desperate are willing to work with this guy.

by **Werthless** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:04:38

The Savior wrote:
Werthless wrote:
The Dude wrote:I swear NPR today said they were on the second hole

That's when they were first asked to speed up. Again, if they took a half hour for hole 1, we get a clearer picture of what happened.

wtf is this serious?

whites guys get their memberships revoked on the spot for pace of play?

I knew that it was you posting this just from reading the content of the response. Does that reflect more on you or me? I'm not sure.

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:20:39

"[March 2018] there’s been a more than 200 percent increase in the number of people who are apprehended coming across the border. And, I’ll tell you this, there’s been a more than 200 percent increase in apprehension(s) of heroin coming across the border."

Greg Abbott inciting a little hysteria there. Apprehension wise it is only true when you cherry pick a historically low March 2017, and ignore all other data. The heroin claim appears to be either super secret information only he has, or just a made up figure. 2017 apprehension data show March 2017 at an 18 year low, so through selective comparison you can get the 2018 figure to 207%.

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:55:08

I heard it yesterday, but maybe this is not widely reported yet. Mick Mulvaney talking to 1300 industry executives and lobbyists that they should push lawmakers hard to pursue their shared agenda. To quantify her explained:

“If you’re a lobbyist who never gave us money, I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.”“If you’re a lobbyist who never gave us money, I didn’t talk to you. If you’re a lobbyist who gave us money, I might talk to you.”

the Amazon Brainwashing/lobbying machine draws this nice line between Mick and his boss

The president himself has repeatedly said that he views politics as transactional. “As a businessman and a very substantial donor to very important people, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do,” Trump told the Wall Street Journal in 2015. “As a businessman, I need that.”

He was asked about that quote during a GOP primary debate. “You better believe it,” Trump replied. “I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them two years later, three years later, I call them. They are there for me.”

by **Werthless** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:20:08

Werthless wrote:
The Dude wrote:I swear NPR today said they were on the second hole

That's when they were first asked to speed up. Again, if they took a half hour for hole 1, we get a clearer picture of what happened.

the black women golfers, Sandra Harrison, said they were at the second hole when representatives of the Grandview Golf Club told the group they were playing too slowly.

After the ninth hole, about an hour and 45 minutes later, they were told that they took too long a break and needed to leave.

I feel comfortable judging the course owners at this point, until more info comes out.

http://abc7ny.com/society/black-women-c ... -/3388006/

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:23:01

“Based on information gathered in the investigation to date, the USAO-SDNY and FBI have reason to believe that Cohen has exceedingly few clients and a low volume of potentially privileged communications,” they wrote.

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:52:46

A Morning Consult/Politico poll found that fewer people were reporting seeing bigger paychecks due to the new tax law than those that did in a survey last month.
The April survey found that 22 percent of registered voters reported seeing paycheck increases, while 55 percent said they hadn't noticed a bump and 23 percent didn't know or didn't have an opinion.

Although the quote is about paychecks, this is related.

My accountant tells me that the lack of SALT deduction is going to make tax planning a tough call this year. NVa is a pretty high tax place between over priced housing, and a personal property tax that is applied against the Blue Book value of our vehicles. The increased personal deduction will help, but I need to decide if I am altruistic or strategic with my charitable giving (side note, it is altruism) because even at a generous level I will see no returns there either. He thinks I will do a little better on Federal, but I am about to get hammered on State.

That said, he tells me his projections for his high wage earners are great and that they will see a lot of relief at the top end.

by **Bucky** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 14:10:50

I have been sounding the alarm bell (hey, that's as a pun I realized after typing it!) at the firehouse about the potential for our fund drive donations to fall off this year. Possibly not significantly, but there will probably be some sort of effect. Everyone else seems to believe that all of our residents are altruistic and will continue donating regardless, but I don't hold those hopes. Even my Fidelity newsletter at the beginning of the year made a recommendation to "re-evaluate your giving strategies" or something like that.

by **pacino** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 14:23:16

Werthless wrote:
Werthless wrote:
The Dude wrote:I swear NPR today said they were on the second hole

That's when they were first asked to speed up. Again, if they took a half hour for hole 1, we get a clearer picture of what happened.

the black women golfers, Sandra Harrison, said they were at the second hole when representatives of the Grandview Golf Club told the group they were playing too slowly.

After the ninth hole, about an hour and 45 minutes later, they were told that they took too long a break and needed to leave.

I feel comfortable judging the course owners at this point, until more info comes out.

http://abc7ny.com/society/black-women-c ... -/3388006/

My friend knows one of the women; they were pretty taken aback at it all. The guys were getting on them for no real reason.

by **swishnicholson** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 14:37:25

pacino wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Werthless wrote:
The Dude wrote:I swear NPR today said they were on the second hole

That's when they were first asked to speed up. Again, if they took a half hour for hole 1, we get a clearer picture of what happened.

the black women golfers, Sandra Harrison, said they were at the second hole when representatives of the Grandview Golf Club told the group they were playing too slowly.

After the ninth hole, about an hour and 45 minutes later, they were told that they took too long a break and needed to leave.

I feel comfortable judging the course owners at this point, until more info comes out.

http://abc7ny.com/society/black-women-c ... -/3388006/

My friend knows one of the women; they were pretty taken aback at it all. The guys were getting on them for no real reason.

I don't play much golf; just enough to know how frustrating it can be when people are holding things up.

That said, I can't wrap my head around a situation where police would be called for inconveniencing someone's golf game, whatever their color.

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 14:39:27

Press conference is curious today. I think Sarah was balling out CNN for being combative, went on to a question about Jackson where she railed about his qualifications and that people with experience have done nothing much so this is a different path, then on the EPA... had to bounce.

I was really only there for Jackson stuff, but the other key seems to be misunderstanding background checks VS competency as the head of the key department.

by **The Dude** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 14:42:43

swishnicholson wrote:
pacino wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Werthless wrote:
The Dude wrote:I swear NPR today said they were on the second hole

That's when they were first asked to speed up. Again, if they took a half hour for hole 1, we get a clearer picture of what happened.

the black women golfers, Sandra Harrison, said they were at the second hole when representatives of the Grandview Golf Club told the group they were playing too slowly.

After the ninth hole, about an hour and 45 minutes later, they were told that they took too long a break and needed to leave.

I feel comfortable judging the course owners at this point, until more info comes out.

http://abc7ny.com/society/black-women-c ... -/3388006/

My friend knows one of the women; they were pretty taken aback at it all. The guys were getting on them for no real reason.

I don't play much golf; just enough to know how frustrating it can be when people are holding things up.

That said, I can't wrap my head around a situation where police would be called for inconveniencing someone's golf game, whatever their color.

ive never heard of someone getting warned on the second hole or being thrown off for taking a long break. You can break as long as you want after the 9th hole and hop back on

by **thephan** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 14:49:43

As to the issue of kneeling during the national anthem, Patriots owner Robert Kraft delivered a strong assessment of the Commander-in-Chief’s strategy.

“The problem we have is, we have a president who will use that as fodder to do his mission that I don’t feel is in the best interests of America,” Kraft said. “It’s divisive and it’s horrible.”

NYT secret recording of the League meeting. Zoiks

by **Werthless** » Wed Apr 25, 2018 16:22:15

swishnicholson wrote:I don't play much golf; just enough to know how frustrating it can be when people are holding things up.

That said, I can't wrap my head around a situation where police would be called for inconveniencing someone's golf game, whatever their color.

Police are called all the time when people refuse to leave private businesses after being asked to... bars and restaurants are probably the most common. Nobody likes being asked to leave, and it probably feels unfair to most people being asked to leave. When people don't comply, police are sometimes called. That said, it's gotta be very rare on the golf course. This is why I'm judgmental of the owners until some other details emerge.

I'm imagining the dialogue went something like

"You are in violation of terms on your scorecard for playing too slow. Please leave the course."
"That's ridiculous. We got through the front 9 in 1:45, and we offered to have the group behind us play through. They declined since they're drinking."
"I'm sorry, but you need to leave, and we'll be forced to call the police if you don't."
"We deserve to play, and we've done nothing wrong. You'll have to call the police for us to leave."

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