No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby Woody » Sun Mar 18, 2018 09:30:29

Trump team has received a list of potential questions from Mueller (which he presumably already knows all the answers to)

I expect Mueller to be fired very shortly
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby Wizlah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:54:04

pacino wrote:Isn't DUP in with the Tories now? They needed them for a coalition, I thought.


Yup. That's how its running right now. But they pulled some shady shit along with the two pro-brexit campaigns, and they face a significant political challenge in Northern Ireland. Currently unionists (both the DUP and the UUP and independent unionist MLAs (Member of the Legislative Assembly, i.e. Stormont)) are in a minority in the Assembly for the first time ever, following last years Northern Irish elections. But the DUP and Sinn Fein have not got the assembly back up and running, in part due to the fact that the DUP will likely lose its leader, Arlene Foster, due to her involvement in a scandal involving subsidies to small businesses for use of renewable heating fuels. So with the assembly not sitting, and Sinn Fein not taking their seats in Westminster, the only political party with a voice for Northern Ireland is the westminster DUP MPs, led by Nigel Dodds. They are very strongly pro-brexit, which they can afford to be because under the first past the post system, their majorities are intact, unlike the system used for the Northern Irish Assembly, which uses the single transferable vote version of proportional representation. Added wrinkle? Northern Ireland voted to stay in the EU. Moderate Unionists are starting to think the unthinkable and consider the possibility of Northern Ireland within a 32 county republic.

Those Westminster MPs are the folk the Tories did the deal with. The UK Govt are now ruling northern ireland through defacto direct rule, which is problematic for the Good Friday Agreement, to put it mildly. Under the legal structures of the GFA (an international treaty, lest we forget), the republic can ask for a say in how Northern Ireland can be ruled if it is officially under direct rule. Also, the coalition certainly contrevenes the spirit of the GFA, if not the letter.

Which is a shortish way of saying that the current UK govt situation and indeed, the place of Northern Ireland within the constitutional union, is in a precarious place. If the UK govt think of ditching NI in the negotations and let it get treated as a special area with seperate sets of rules to trade within the EU, the DUP MPs and Tory Brexiteers will push hard. But if they let a hard border on the island of Ireland, they will be breaking their negotiation commitments, which will make any future trade negotiations with any new countries significantly harder. Also, the economic impact on NI will be massive and push moderate unionists and many dormant nationalists towards the idea of a referendum to join Ireland. Recent polling suggests there may already be a majority backing for it in Northern Ireland. If Northern Ireland goes, Scotland won't be long behind.

pacino wrote:A failure in either country would set back things for 20 years, in my view. This is why I'm trying in my own capacity to help select the right people.

Lets be clear. The UK has already taken a massive step back. Labours equivication over Brexit, the parliamentary legislatures complete inability to get to grips with the Border issue in time, not to speak of the economic impact for the UK means there's no predicting with ease political outcomes for some time now. Even if Labour get in next time, they will have inherited a massive sandwich of shite. The worst of it? Brexit has exposed how comically out of their depth UK civil servants and diplomats are with the proposed future of a UK outside of the EU. I wouldn't put it past more right leaning labourites to try and shove corbyn again, because right now the majority of UK politicians (with the possible exception of the SNP) cannot think past the borders of their own country.

Whole thing is a massive, epic clusterfuck. In other news, I am slowly reaching a zenith of anti-British feeling, because Brexit has reminded every single Irish person just how little anyone in the UK bothers to think of us. Watching Ireland facing down a fucking incoming shell on our economy just as we recover from the self-inflicted wounds of the 2008 crash and subsequent austerity measures and knowing we did fuck nothing to invite this makes it very, very hard for me to see eye to eye with a lot of British people now. And I'm not the only Irish person to feel that way.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:10:17

Wizlah wrote:
pacino wrote:
pacino wrote:A failure in either country would set back things for 20 years, in my view. This is why I'm trying in my own capacity to help select the right people.

Lets be clear. The UK has already taken a massive step back. Labours equivication over Brexit, the parliamentary legislatures complete inability to get to grips with the Border issue in time, not to speak of the economic impact for the UK means there's no predicting with ease political outcomes for some time now. Even if Labour get in next time, they will have inherited a massive sandwich of #$!&@. The worst of it? Brexit has exposed how comically out of their depth UK civil servants and diplomats are with the proposed future of a UK outside of the EU. I wouldn't put it past more right leaning labourites to try and shove corbyn again, because right now the majority of UK politicians (with the possible exception of the SNP) cannot think past the borders of their own country.

Whole thing is a massive, epic #$!&@. In other news, I am slowly reaching a zenith of anti-British feeling, because Brexit has reminded every single Irish person just how little anyone in the UK bothers to think of us. Watching Ireland facing down a #$!&@ incoming shell on our economy just as we recover from the self-inflicted wounds of the 2008 crash and subsequent austerity measures and knowing we did #$!&@ nothing to invite this makes it very, very hard for me to see eye to eye with a lot of British people now. And I'm not the only Irish person to feel that way.

Oh, I agree, same as here. I'm just saying there will be no going back. Corbyn himself wasn't very good around Brexit.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Sun Mar 18, 2018 15:51:46

Housing Rights Initiative found the Kushner Cos. filed at least 80 false applications for construction permits in 34 buildings across New York City from 2013 to 2016, all of them indicating there were no rent-regulated tenants. Instead, tax documents show there were more than 300 rent-regulated units.


Why? Well, then they could, and did, create all kinds of hell for the residents, including illegally raising the rent. The play was to get the residents to willingly leave increasing the value of the property to flip, something it was apparently adept at. Kushner Co. said all of that effort was outsourced and they are unaware of this at all, yet almost ever piece of paperwork was signed by a senior officer of the company, including the CEO.

Just a little paperwork flub for massive profit. Who knew?
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby The Savior » Sun Mar 18, 2018 17:55:05

Why do things appear to be falling apart with this Cambridge thing? Is this a dot that will connect many things together I wonder?
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Mar 18, 2018 19:13:03

The Savior wrote:Why do things appear to be falling apart with this Cambridge thing? Is this a dot that will connect many things together I wonder?


How do you mean falling apart? It's a pretty big deal that the Trump campaign likely benefited from data they weren't supposed to have. On the other hand, it does seem the techniques involved weren't much different from the data analysis used effectively by Obama especially in 2012 (though of course the Obama campaign didn't do anything remotely illegal or involved unauthorized use of facebook's data).

How this happens seems pretty easy, by the way--the data analysis used by the Romney campaign was an utter embarrassment. (Orca) The Republicans knew they were significantly behind, and they were having a hard time hiring people with the proper skills. So, it wouldn't be at all surprising that they'd go with a somewhat shady foreign firm, lacking better options.

I think the issues Wiz raises are really, really important. But to some extent the privacy ship sailed long ago. Most people do not care that they for free give Google, Facebook, and such (and anyone who wants) reams of their personal data. Where they go, who they talk to, what they say, what they read, what they watch, what diseases they have, their very genetic identity--it's all for sale, and almost no one cares. People in fact seem quite willing to buy easily hackable cameras and installing them throughout their homes. Smart appliances will give people data on what you have in your refrigerator and their are probably ways to use RFIDs plus so-called smart lightbulbs to track what is being brought into your home.

In the old days, the amount of data was such that large scale analytics could be done while still preserving anonymity--the interest was in aggregating the data. No more. Now it's all about microtargeting and using the info to predict everything.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Sun Mar 18, 2018 20:20:33

& the owner of CA is super Trump supporters, the Robert Mercer family. There was a whole pile of thread about this a long time ago.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby pacino » Mon Mar 19, 2018 07:47:05

DC councilman blames the weather on...Jews!:
D.C. Council member Trayon White Sr. (D-Ward 8) posted the video to his official Facebook page at 7:21 a.m. as snow flurries were hitting the nation’s capital. The video, shot through the windshield of a car driving west on Interstate 695 through downtown Washington, shows snowy skies while White narrates.

“Man, it just started snowing out of nowhere this morning, man. Y’all better pay attention to this climate control, man, this climate manipulation,” he says. “And D.C. keep talking about, ‘We a resilient city.’ And that’s a model based off the Rothschilds controlling the climate to create natural disasters they can pay for to own the cities, man. Be careful.”

The Rothschilds are a famous European business dynasty descended from Mayer Amschel Rothschild, an 18th-century Jewish banker who lived in what is today Frankfurt, Germany. The family has repeatedly been subject over the years to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories alleging that they and other Jews clandestinely manipulate world events for their advantage.

White’s video statements appear to echo beliefs, found lurking in corners of the Internet, that the Rockefeller Foundation’s Resilient Cities initiative — which provides grants to cities, including the District, to address environmental and economic problems — is actually part of a secret scheme to control and reduce the population of North America.

Some conspiracy theorists also think the Rothschilds, acting in conjunction with the Rockefeller family, have technology to manipulate the weather — for example, by causing freak storms that wreak havoc on people, farms and livestock.

In a video posted to YouTube this year titled “Kill Cities — Designed by Rothschild and Rockefeller: Resilient Cities Are Human Death Zones,” Internet commentator Deborah Tavares — a Northern California resident who argues, among other things, that climate change and wireless electricity meters are tools in a plot of global domination — calls the Resilient Cities program a “diabolical” effort to manipulate people.

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:21:54

Donald Trump wrote:.@seanhannity on @foxandfriends now! Great! 8:18 A.M.


I can't wait to see the fallout.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:23:45

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... &tid=sm_tw

White House senior adviser Jared Kushner’s real estate company routinely filed false documents as it pushed vulnerable tenants out of its apartment buildings, according to a new Associated Press report that adds to the business scandals complicating Kushner’s role in his father-in-law’s administration.

Kushner resigned as chief executive of Kushner Cos. before joining President Trump’s administration last year. But he still has a stake in the family business, the AP wrote — and was in charge of the company between 2013 and 2016, when the company allegedly filed at least 80 false applications for construction permits with New York City.

The company stated on the paperwork that no tenants — in at least 34 buildings it owned across New York — were protected by special rules that would have prevented Kushner from raising rents or harassing residents to leave, the AP wrote.

In reality, the AP wrote, tax records showed that hundreds of tenants were protected by such rules.

By allegedly misleading the city, Kushner’s company was able to clear several buildings of tenants and resell the properties for huge profits.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:27:49

look up 6 post slugs
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:30:38

“We’ve never had anybody so blatantly go after a president before,” Gary J. Schmitt, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute who was once an intelligence adviser to President Ronald Reagan, said in an interview. “It’s also unprecedented to have a president so overtly going after various intelligence officials.”


This is where we are. Honestly, it is finding a more dysfunctional operating level, unprecedented really, where the leader of the country is spending his energy not on the needs of the nation, but on his own vanity project of pettiness and personal power projection. I'd like to say that its overreach, but it is really just unnecessary stupidity.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:40:01

thephan wrote:look up 6 post slugs


The Savior wrote:Why do things appear to be falling apart with this Cambridge thing? Is this a dot that will connect many things together I wonder?


I decided to look up one more and noticed I missed you bringing up Kushner the Slumlord. :oops:
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:41:36

@maggieNYT

Aides have decided to whisk Trump to a golf course today.


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"Whisked" is right – members of the pool were told to rush - (i.e. run) - to the vans in the motorcade at the White House. We're here at the golf club now, waiting for developments


This was ~0930 yesterday. That's how you stop a tweetstorm. Weather was warmer and grey yesterday morning.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 08:54:32

McCabe ‘should have gone out in cuffs!’ — Watch Fox News’ Judge Jeanine yell about the ‘triumvirate’ bringing down Trump


This was on "The Next Revolution with Steve Hilton" WTF. I know her judgeship is way over sold, but this is tragic. It is a betrayal of the justice system to make comments like this.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Mar 19, 2018 09:24:32

Donald Trump wrote:A total WITCH HUNT with massive conflicts of interest!


Screaming at the television via the Twitter probably. Executive time is in full swing.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Mar 19, 2018 09:25:39

Uncle Milty wrote:Has this Rothschild craziness been around forever or did someone rip off a General Hospital plot from 40 years ago?


Pretty sure it's a long running antisemitic conspiracy theory.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby JUburton » Mon Mar 19, 2018 09:30:15

slugsrbad wrote:
Donald Trump wrote:A total WITCH HUNT with massive conflicts of interest!


Screaming at the television via the Twitter probably. Executive time is in full swing.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Mon Mar 19, 2018 09:55:10

Read/heard something that he has totally broken the chain. Maybe now that Hope is not there he has no calming influence. He thinks he does not need Kelly, Cohn (really that might be right), any of the NSC, etc., et. al. He's got this. His approval ratings are UP. Because it was so low, even a modest rise expresses as a percentage looks yuge. His confidence has never been higher in 14 months. Its all happening.

It might be time for some of you to find a religion that fits and appeal to a higher power, even if you think there is just a tiny outside chance. <--just for the chuckle, don't shit your knickers about my piety.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:13:30


Marion Barry's seat is in good hands

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