No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Mar 13, 2018 23:37:46

DCCC claiming victory.

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Mar 13, 2018 23:39:44

If Wasserman has called it, that is something one should feel comfortable in trusting.

On the Dem taking the House math, Lamb vs. Rothfus becomes an incumbent vs. incumbent battle so the Dem magic number shifts from 23 to 22.5ish.

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Mar 13, 2018 23:40:11

Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk
With 98% of the vote reporting, here's the actual current #PA18 vote for Conor Lamb and his rough target benchmark to win:

Allegheny
Target: 57%
Now: 57%

Greene
Target: 37%
Now: 41%

Washington
Target: 46%
Now: 46%

Westmoreland
Target: 42%
Now: 42%

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Mar 13, 2018 23:53:44

swishnicholson wrote:
i'm not sure why I keep picking at this, but Trump is trending to be more popular than Carter (in the next few weeks), Reagan and Clinton (in the next few months) and Obama (before the end of the year.)

Seeming more and more that we got what we wanted (and deserved).



slugsrbad wrote:I don't think that's necessarily true. None of these Presidents started (IIRC) as low as Trump, who really had only up to go, at best, he'll probably reach around the 45% mark of his inauguration w/out another total fuck up. The tax bill isn't selling well, and he has nothing else to really hang his hat on. The only way I see an increased jump in his polls is that he doesn't do something dumb, and he gets to appoint another SCOTUS judge that makes Jersey and his ilk nod in fervent agreement.


This is all last thread's news, but my point was that before the end of their second year of office, Reagan sank down to 37% approval, Clinton to 41%, and Obama to 44%. Trump's approval rating is at 40.5 percent and has been creeping upward. He doesn't need a surge in popularity, just an incremental creep or stability, to shortly be able to claim greater popularity, and not actually be lying (more's the wonder). Also likely to overtake Ford and Carter (both 39% at a soon-to-be-arrived-at point,) but I suppose that's less grist for bragging.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby 06hawkalum » Tue Mar 13, 2018 23:58:47

swishnicholson wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
i'm not sure why I keep picking at this, but Trump is trending to be more popular than Carter (in the next few weeks), Reagan and Clinton (in the next few months) and Obama (before the end of the year.)

Seeming more and more that we got what we wanted (and deserved).



slugsrbad wrote:I don't think that's necessarily true. None of these Presidents started (IIRC) as low as Trump, who really had only up to go, at best, he'll probably reach around the 45% mark of his inauguration w/out another total #$!&@ up. The tax bill isn't selling well, and he has nothing else to really hang his hat on. The only way I see an increased jump in his polls is that he doesn't do something dumb, and he gets to appoint another SCOTUS judge that makes Jersey and his ilk nod in fervent agreement.


This is all last thread's news, but my point was that before the end of their second year of office, Reagan sank down to 37% approval, Clinton to 41%, and Obama to 44%. Trump's approval rating is at 40.5 percent and has been creeping upward. He doesn't need a surge in popularity, just an incremental creep or stability, to shortly be able to claim greater popularity, and not actually be lying (more's the wonder). Also likely to overtake Ford and Carter (both 39% at a soon-to-be-arrived-at point,) but I suppose that's less grist for bragging.


Don't worry buddy, Trump is at his high watermark. His approval rating will be down around 30% by January.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Mar 13, 2018 23:59:54

there were uncounted precincts in Westmoreland which cut into the lead a bit, Lamb up 579 votes w/ the absentees uncounted still
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Mar 14, 2018 00:00:54

swishnicholson wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
i'm not sure why I keep picking at this, but Trump is trending to be more popular than Carter (in the next few weeks), Reagan and Clinton (in the next few months) and Obama (before the end of the year.)

Seeming more and more that we got what we wanted (and deserved).



slugsrbad wrote:I don't think that's necessarily true. None of these Presidents started (IIRC) as low as Trump, who really had only up to go, at best, he'll probably reach around the 45% mark of his inauguration w/out another total fuck up. The tax bill isn't selling well, and he has nothing else to really hang his hat on. The only way I see an increased jump in his polls is that he doesn't do something dumb, and he gets to appoint another SCOTUS judge that makes Jersey and his ilk nod in fervent agreement.


This is all last thread's news, but my point was that before the end of their second year of office, Reagan sank down to 37% approval, Clinton to 41%, and Obama to 44%. Trump's approval rating is at 40.5 percent and has been creeping upward. He doesn't need a surge in popularity, just an incremental creep or stability, to shortly be able to claim greater popularity, and not actually be lying (more's the wonder). Also likely to overtake Ford and Carter (both 39% at a soon-to-be-arrived-at point,) but I suppose that's less grist for bragging.

Reagan was dealing with the recession that whipped inflation. Clinton had the health care failure and was still in the early throws of the economic recovery. The 1970s weren't great.

Trump on the other hand is presiding over an economy that is doing really effing well, wars are at a lower level than they have been in a while, and he's deeply unpopular anyway. Because he blows.

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Mar 14, 2018 00:04:24

slugsrbad wrote:there were uncounted precincts in Westmoreland which cut into the lead a bit, Lamb up 579 votes w/ the absentees uncounted still


CNN guy now saying that Westmoreland vote counts include absentee, but they want to confirm that first.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby Doll Is Mine » Wed Mar 14, 2018 00:08:38

slugsrbad wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:there were uncounted precincts in Westmoreland which cut into the lead a bit, Lamb up 579 votes w/ the absentees uncounted still


CNN guy now saying that Westmoreland vote counts include absentee, but they want to confirm that first.


That's with the Westmoreland absentees.

1,400 absentees left

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby slugsrbad » Wed Mar 14, 2018 00:21:12

ok, so Saccone would need 70% + of the remaining absentee votes to beat Lamb. It's not called, but I'm feeling much more comfortable about this. There will be a recount, so hopefully Saccone stays around his county percentages to keep the lead in the triple digits. Time for bed.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Mar 14, 2018 06:17:54

100% in Lamb Wins by 641
Pending recount
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 07:58:48

If this does not convince Trump there is Russian meddling, what will? All these candidates he stumps for have a Trump Slump? No way, he is the greatest ever.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 08:00:13

Now back to the matter at hand, does KAC get the same treatment as Tom Price/ She was on a bunch of the private flights. Its been covered up until now, but she is no less guilty. The cover ups under this administration as astounding.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby JUburton » Wed Mar 14, 2018 08:41:01

Looks like Lamb is a near lock. Absentees are mostly in Allegheny where Lamb took most and absentees generally favor democrats. Would take a real miracle to lose now.

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 08:52:13

prepare for a level 7 shit storm.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby pacino » Wed Mar 14, 2018 08:58:39

JUburton wrote:Looks like Lamb is a near lock. Absentees are mostly in Allegheny where Lamb took most and absentees generally favor democrats. Would take a real miracle to lose now.

*cups ear, points it westward*

I think I can hear the faint sounds of voter fraud allegations coming over the horizon
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 09:02:21

pacino wrote:
JUburton wrote:Looks like Lamb is a near lock. Absentees are mostly in Allegheny where Lamb took most and absentees generally favor democrats. Would take a real miracle to lose now.

*cups ear, points it westward*

I think I can hear the faint sounds of voter fraud allegations coming over the horizon


and every other excuse. Low energy, terrible candidate, etc. Get ready for the playbook of never give up, never give in. There will also be the supporting numbers game about how many dems there are VS GOP, and how McCain, Romney, and Trump won by double digits as proof. Maybe even some harebrained lawsuit.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby JUburton » Wed Mar 14, 2018 09:08:04

I used to be worried about sustaining momentum but Trump is making it easy. He's going to become unhinged leading up to the midterms seeing the potential bloodbath and nothing he can do about it. We're taking the house. Where can I put money on this.

(says the guy who sort of wanted to put a grand on hillary)

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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby thephan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 09:11:37

as much of a reality show it is that Trump tossed Tillerson (and the way he did it), Old Rex has substantially screwed up State in his brief tenure. Word is completely out on what happens next, but right now our capability, capacity, and credibility (the trump admin three C's) is shredded. Rex was at the helm, so he deserves plenty of credit along with his leadership. something insane like a 60% brain drain of career diplomats, which is the nice term for the bureaucrats that know how things work, and how to get things done around the globe. Bureaucrat might be a dirty word to some, but this knowledge is critical, and it is walked out the door. Couple that with no one applying to work at DoS, and it is a melt down scenario. Top talent leaving, no talent to learn from them for the future. It is problem a more dire situation then has been reported.
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Re: No Rose For Tillerson, His Politics Flame Extinguished

Postby The Sarge » Wed Mar 14, 2018 09:19:40

Isn't that what Trump wanted though?
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