It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 09, 2017 16:35:00

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President Donald Trump's long-time confidante Keith Schiller privately testified that he rejected a Russian offer to send five women to then private-citizen Trump's hotel room during their 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant, according to multiple sources from both political parties with direct knowledge of the testimony.

Schiller, Trump's former bodyguard and personal aide, testified that he took the offer as a joke, two of the sources said. On their way up to Trump's hotel room that night, Schiller told the billionaire businessman about the offer and Trump laughed it off, Schiller told the House intelligence committee earlier this week.
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Nov 09, 2017 16:37:12

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 09, 2017 16:39:15

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Nov 09, 2017 16:47:20

slugsrbad wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politics/keith-schiller-russian-offer-women-2013-moscow/index.html

President Donald Trump's long-time confidante Keith Schiller privately testified that he rejected a Russian offer to send five women to then private-citizen Trump's hotel room during their 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant, according to multiple sources from both political parties with direct knowledge of the testimony.

Schiller, Trump's former bodyguard and personal aide, testified that he took the offer as a joke, two of the sources said. On their way up to Trump's hotel room that night, Schiller told the billionaire businessman about the offer and Trump laughed it off, Schiller told the House intelligence committee earlier this week.


Yeah OK. I'm not buying it. The thing that gives it away is Schiller saying he took it as a joke. Nope. Schiller has worked for Trump long enough that he knows this is part of the world Trump has lived in for his entire adult life - all those nights in NYC clubs and Altantic City casinos, women everywhere, etc. This was a normal thing for Trump. But one says he took it as a joke if you're trying to hide something, it's a natural instinct.

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Gimpy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 16:47:41

slugsrbad wrote:Also, unless Paul Ryan come out or someone come out as strongly as McCain I think I'm done the live updating. It's sad that it's surprising that so many Senators have finally come out against Moore. Apparently being a racist and a bigot is alright, but sexual advances against a minor is where the line is drawn.


There’s a difference between being an asshole and being a criminal. Still disgraceful for a bigot to hold elected office where they’re making legislative decisions, but I think it’s not too arbitrary a line for some people to draw.

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 09, 2017 16:57:00

Gimpy wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:Also, unless Paul Ryan come out or someone come out as strongly as McCain I think I'm done the live updating. It's sad that it's surprising that so many Senators have finally come out against Moore. Apparently being a racist and a bigot is alright, but sexual advances against a minor is where the line is drawn.


There’s a difference between being an asshole and being a criminal. Still disgraceful for a bigot to hold elected office where they’re making legislative decisions, but I think it’s not too arbitrary a line for some people to draw.


I disagree. It's 2017. Congress Republicans shouldn't shrug off Moore's bigotry as "Yea, he said Muslims cannot serve in Congress, but what can I say, 1st Amendment. I cannot wait to work with him on tax cuts, MAGA, blah blah blah."

Bigotry should be a red line. If you're an open bigot, you shouldn't get the support of one of the two major political parties. Unfortunately, that is an naive ideal.
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:01:10

Breitbart: Only one allegation is potentially illegal, so ignore the 17 and 19 yr old.
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:02:05

AL State Auditor Jim Ziegler wrote:Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus."
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby jamiethekiller » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:06:19

jokes on him. they never boned!

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:17:56

I was saying something similar to this to my brother today.

The fact that Trump continues to deny Russian involvement increases the likelihood of it happening again.

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:18:12

jamiethekiller wrote:jokes on him. they never boned!

LOL

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Woody » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:19:01

Werthless wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:jokes on him. they never boned!

LOL


this is amazing
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby thephan » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:20:21

Yep, state auditor went with 'much adieu about very little', and a commentator went with 'about little girls'.
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:20:59

slugsrbad wrote:
pacino wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:like Democrats have a good track record here

what is a comment like this supposed to accomplish or highlight? are you for roy moore?


Seriously. It's obviously a problem spanning every facet of society, bound by no demographics, ideology, religion, or creed. I don't think Housh is playing the "both sides" card, but there is no doubt many out there who will. It accomplishes nothing.

there's been all this schadenfreude and self-righteousness in this thread, linking Moore's transgressions to Trump's and asserting that they're a Republican phenomenon, while the Democrats, from ranks to leadership are almost in year 20 of declining to repudiate a similar offender, recently elevating him to top surrogate of a presidential campaign partly built on attacking the other side's character. it's absurd

Dems should hope that acknowledgement, rejection, and catharsis happen soon, and started from a friendly platform before some awful new revelation, or round of revelations, comes from Fox or the Wall Street Journal, because when that happens, Democrats will rightly be branded as hypocrites

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby thephan » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:25:10

Ziegler seemed unconcerned about that allegation and told the Washington Examiner that any political concern would be mitigated by three things. Moore never had “sexual intercourse” with the girl. Their relationship “happened almost 40 years ago.” And finally, “Roy Moore fell in love with one of the younger women.”


Break it down:

1. Never had sex with that girl (worked so well in the past)
2. Youthful indiscretion (called that, just missed the source)
3. Being a sexual predator/pedophile is, um (got nothing really)

“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”


Well, not true, definitely not true, and more then a tad odd.
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:27:09

I shouldn't have to caveat every statement I make because I could potentially be labelled a hypocrite. Because I really couldn't be labelled much of one.

Save your holier than thou attitude for someone that deserves it. I reserve the right to criticize Roy Moore.
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:28:04

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:28:58

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:https://twitter.com/dan_f_jacobson/status/928723603444682758

I credit Pacino’s diligence on this matter

Democrats gerrymander in Maryland so your hypocrisy is duly noted.

Mundy and Saylor dissented. Glad we re-elected both on Tuesday!
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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:31:21

I'll speak for myself only, but Roy Moore is a raging asshole. Seeing a bigoted, white nationalist and birther, who follows federal courts only when he feels like complying, commits fax fraud through his charity... seeing him catch heat for being a preying pedophile, it's a time for celebration. It's not the moment to say that "hey, the other side has assholes too."

This is a victory for liberals, for conservatives, for parents, for minorities, for all people who are not white nationalists, and for anyone that believes that laws should be equally applied to all Americans.

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Re: It's arraigning men- Hallelujah! (politics)

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 09, 2017 17:33:39

Alabama GOP County chairs are sticking by Moore
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