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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Nov 04, 2017 21:43:50

Anyone else concerned by what's happening in Saudi and maybe Lebanon?

Kushner is over there and they are desperate for a distraction or a win. Then right after he leaves all heck breaks loose. Big coincidence. I don't trust the saudis because they can't be trusted and netanyahu is garbage, so I could see him trying to help Trump in exchange for something. Now Lebanon's premier has resigned, citing Iran and Hezballah (sp?).

I predict something major there that will suddenly give Trump a win out of nowhere or will at least be a major distraction. I'm being vague, I know, but there are too many parties involved to know what's going on. It just looks bad.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Sat Nov 04, 2017 22:16:11

Monkeyboy wrote:I thought this was ok. He takes issue with much of what she said, but also acknowledges that there's a problem. Marshall is a Clinton fan = disclaimer

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the ... f-nonsense


It’s a pretty weak defense. In my opinion, the most important part is the diverting of funds from states for D candidates back to Hillary, and that is barely addressed here, other than to say “yeah that happens all the time”
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Sat Nov 04, 2017 23:22:17

The Dude wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I thought this was ok. He takes issue with much of what she said, but also acknowledges that there's a problem. Marshall is a Clinton fan = disclaimer

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the ... f-nonsense


It’s a pretty weak defense. In my opinion, the most important part is the diverting of funds from states for D candidates back to Hillary, and that is barely addressed here, other than to say “yeah that happens all the time”


Really? Read the excerpts in that link. The idea that she wanted or thought to replace Clinton with Biden/Booker but didn't because of "all the women" who felt pride and empowerment is such a laughable joke. So, 60 days before an election Clinton was winning in the polls this lady thought about changing both the presidential and VP candidate? That alone is the sign of a weak, unintelligent individual.

I think it's beyond silly for anyone affiliated with the DNC to go in on Hilary right now to be honest. You can say a lot of things about her but she's been getting crushed and criticized for nearly 20 years, even mor so over the last 10. Brazille saying what she is saying is sad and petty and shows she's an incapable person.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Sat Nov 04, 2017 23:36:24

The Savior wrote:
The Dude wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I thought this was ok. He takes issue with much of what she said, but also acknowledges that there's a problem. Marshall is a Clinton fan = disclaimer

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the ... f-nonsense


It’s a pretty weak defense. In my opinion, the most important part is the diverting of funds from states for D candidates back to Hillary, and that is barely addressed here, other than to say “yeah that happens all the time”


Really? Read the excerpts in that link. The idea that she wanted or thought to replace Clinton with Biden/Booker but didn't because of "all the women" who felt pride and empowerment is such a laughable joke. So, 60 days before an election Clinton was winning in the polls this lady thought about changing both the presidential and VP candidate? That alone is the sign of a weak, unintelligent individual.

I think it's beyond silly for anyone affiliated with the DNC to go in on Hilary right now to be honest. You can say a lot of things about her but she's been getting crushed and criticized for nearly 20 years, even mor so over the last 10. Brazille saying what she is saying is sad and petty and shows she's an incapable person.


Yeah, that ridiculous part was dumb. I was specific in why I thought it was a bad defense
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Unread postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 04, 2017 23:50:36

Just thinking about the size of the 2020 field, the proportional Dem delegate allocation rules, and then them rolling back super delegates, it seems pretty likely there will be a brokered convention. Maybe one with a clear frontrunner/winner, maybe not. With feelings this raw about 2016 ~18 months after it was clear Hillary would be the nominee (and with her winning comfortably and not due to any improper interference), cannot even imagine what a shitshow an actual brokered convention would entail.

I hope Mr. Trump is doing something other than being the Republican nominee in 2020 because the Dem process really might be a total dumpster fire.

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Unread postby Stay_Disappointed » Sun Nov 05, 2017 01:12:46

Saw some ad on tv for a dem nominee the other day - the only message was equal pay for women. JFC
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 03:48:09

The Dude wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:I thought this was ok. He takes issue with much of what she said, but also acknowledges that there's a problem. Marshall is a Clinton fan = disclaimer

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the ... f-nonsense


It’s a pretty weak defense. In my opinion, the most important part is the diverting of funds from states for D candidates back to Hillary, and that is barely addressed here, other than to say “yeah that happens all the time”



I agree that the allocation is really important, but I don't think we know much about that yet. I thought he gave a decent take given what we now now.
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Unread postby The Savior » Sun Nov 05, 2017 07:21:06

Trump to meet with Putin, ask about helping with NK. Trump knows Russia is helping NK, right?
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Sun Nov 05, 2017 09:05:12

Word in from central Florida retirement land... trumps got them scared and on the run in DC. Cleaning it up just like he said he would!
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:14:59

stall tactic DENIED

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to put on ice a federal lawsuit challenging Pennsylvania's congressional districts approved after the 2010 census.

Justice Samuel Alito on Friday rejected the requested stay of the lawsuit by five Pennsylvania voters against the governor and elections officials, a court official said Saturday.

Republican leaders in Pennsylvania's General Assembly had said in the request filed last week that a trial in the case could occur in about a month, as the justices are considering a Wisconsin gerrymandering case with what they call "substantively identical claims."

House Speaker Mike Turzai and Senate President Pro Tempore Joe Scarnati, who were granted a request to intervene in the federal case, asked the court to impose a halt until a similar Commonwealth Court lawsuit over the districts is resolved — and that case is mostly on hold pending a decision in the Wisconsin lawsuit.

Lawyers for Turzai and Scarnati argued the Wisconsin decision could render the Pennsylvania lawsuit moot, or narrow its issues.

The lawsuit alleges state maps have unfairly given Pennsylvania Republicans an electoral advantage, and it seeks to reshape the state's congressional districts before the 2018 midterm elections.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:29:18

Flynn is next

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Unread postby jerseyhoya » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:30:51

Not that he was a key player in any of this, but I would obtain some pretty significant satisfaction from Flynn Jr. getting indicted

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Unread postby pacino » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:33:28

all this over Gulen, a rather useless figure as far as Turkey goes in 2017; amazing. Erdogan is so insecure, much like Trump.
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Unread postby JUburton » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:40:14

jerseyhoya wrote:Not that he was a key player in any of this, but I would obtain some pretty significant satisfaction from Flynn Jr. getting indicted
well yeah, but an indictment of a former national security adviser would be pretty big news.

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:40:52

a fundamental disagreement with supply and demand about how to find people to fill jobs:
WASHINGTON (AP) — With U.S. unemployment at a 17-year low and businesses complaining that they can't fill jobs, you might expect pay to be rising sharply as companies try to attract or keep workers.

Normally, with the unemployment rate ultra-low, businesses are forced to raise pay significantly to fill jobs or to retain existing employees. The last time the jobless rate was this low, in 2000, average hourly pay was surging at a 4 percent annual pace.

Then was then. In October, by contrast, wages crept up just 2.4 percent from a year earlier, the government said Friday. Though that's double the pace of five years ago, it's nearly a half-point less than the year-over-year rate in September.

Signal 88 has raised starting pay for security officers from $9.25 an hour to $11.25 in the past two years. But other low-wage employers have also lifted pay, Nyffeler said, thereby creating new competition for Signal.

Many potential applicants can't pass drug tests, Nyffeler says, while others can live off government benefits.

His ability to raise pay, Nyffeler says, is limited because his clients are reluctant to pay more for his company's services. Signal 88 bills at $17 an hour, on average. The company tries to raise prices each year when it renews contracts, but many of its clients then threaten to seek alternatives.

Other companies appear in similar circumstances: Price increases throughout the economy are weak. Inflation rose just 2.2 percent in September from a year ago and would have been lower without a spike in gas prices.

One way out of the conundrum would be to raise worker efficiency. When workers become more productive — when their output per hour rises — companies can afford to pay more without raising prices.

Yet productivity growth has been weak since the recession ended in 2009. It grew just 1.2 percent a year, on average, in the past decade. That's less than half the growth rate before the recession. One reason productivity has been so sluggish is that companies haven't invested much in machinery, technology and other equipment that could boost workers' output.

The Trump administration and Republican Congress are pushing a steep cut in the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent in hopes of encouraging more productivity-boosting investment. But some economists argue that the increased profits stemming from the tax cut will be used mainly to boost dividends and share buybacks.

the problem is those lazy potential employees are smoking drugs and taking welfare checks instead of working, not that we don't want to raise wages or that companies that contract us are too greedy to pay more to us. it's the druggie welfare frauds.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:41:29

JUburton wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Not that he was a key player in any of this, but I would obtain some pretty significant satisfaction from Flynn Jr. getting indicted
well yeah, but an indictment of a former national security adviser would be pretty big news.

it would be a WITCH HUNT and FAKE NEWS, ju

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Unread postby TenuredVulture » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:19:45

jerseyhoya wrote:Just thinking about the size of the 2020 field, the proportional Dem delegate allocation rules, and then them rolling back super delegates, it seems pretty likely there will be a brokered convention. Maybe one with a clear frontrunner/winner, maybe not. With feelings this raw about 2016 ~18 months after it was clear Hillary would be the nominee (and with her winning comfortably and not due to any improper interference), cannot even imagine what a shitshow an actual brokered convention would entail.

I hope Mr. Trump is doing something other than being the Republican nominee in 2020 because the Dem process really might be a total dumpster fire.


One would hope that the stupid conflict among Dems is soon resolved. It is disconcerting in the lack of real stakes and its pettiness. But we're still a year or so away from the real beginning of the invisible primary.

Also, the Republicans in 2016 had a crowded field and while one might not want the Dems to go down that road, they did manage to win a couple of elections, though to be sure in large part thanks to gerrymandering and stuff.

I don't keep up with DNC/OFA drama too much, but it seems we need to get Joe Trippi type people running things.
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Unread postby The Savior » Sun Nov 05, 2017 13:43:41

Flynn Jr in the crosshairs as well sure is a significant amount of leverage.

And this may hit while Trump is away and meeting with Putin. I mean, incredible.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Sun Nov 05, 2017 14:10:56

Wilbur Ross hid business ties to Putin's family before his confirmation

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Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sun Nov 05, 2017 14:31:48

The Savior wrote:Trump to meet with Putin, ask about helping with NK. Trump knows Russia is helping NK, right?



If I had a million dollars, I would consider betting that Putin will give him some kind of concession or agreement that he can bring home. He beat Russia!
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