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If the 2020 Presidential election were tommorrow who would you vote for?

Trump
2
4%
Democratic Challenger no matter who
39
81%
Other
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15%
 
Total votes : 48

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Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:06:13

so Bernie smells? So do most people his age
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Postby thephan » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:11:43

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:wonder if Ted Cruz is rooting for Moore since that could take away his status of most hated man in the senate


Well, I am sure that Cruz would be up for the challenge of maintaining his status. I still cannot believe that he was actually a credible candidate.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:23:01

Gimpy wrote:I googled "Bernie Sanders deodorant" and got the story and an explanation if anyone's curious

http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/berni ... ign-so-far

Right. I agree with the Washington Post guy.

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Postby pacino » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:28:37

JUburton wrote:lol haberman is PISS at nate silver

I side with Nate
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Postby Youseff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:56:41

jerseyhoya wrote:
Gimpy wrote:I googled "Bernie Sanders deodorant" and got the story and an explanation if anyone's curious

http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/berni ... ign-so-far

Right. I agree with the Washington Post guy.


interesting considering his argument is different than yours, and it requires a literal bi-directional relationship between the vibrancy of choice in the market and the health of our citizens. that's not the argument, and I don't see how you could fixate on that as the messaging. the main point is the same point that he always makes, which is there is a growing consolidation of wealth in this country, and despite GOP stooges beliefs, that is bad for a lot of Americans. Quarter over quarter growth for companies that are already doing well should not be the driving motivation for how our country is run. This is not hard to grasp, if he had led with, "NOW, I believe, that there arah too many deodorants!" then run with it.
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Postby thephan » Tue Sep 26, 2017 13:30:28

They might actually have the health care vote. It is to put people on the record for their stance. Crazy.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Sep 26, 2017 13:31:23

Youseff wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Gimpy wrote:I googled "Bernie Sanders deodorant" and got the story and an explanation if anyone's curious

http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/berni ... ign-so-far

Right. I agree with the Washington Post guy.


interesting considering his argument is different than yours, and it requires a literal bi-directional relationship between the vibrancy of choice in the market and the health of our citizens. that's not the argument, and I don't see how you could fixate on that as the messaging. the main point is the same point that he always makes, which is there is a growing consolidation of wealth in this country, and despite GOP stooges beliefs, that is bad for a lot of Americans. Quarter over quarter growth for companies that are already doing well should not be the driving motivation for how our country is run. This is not hard to grasp, if he had led with, "NOW, I believe, that there arah too many deodorants!" then run with it.

I mean, it's the article - Sorry Bernie Sanders, Deodorant Isn't Starving America's Children - I linked to (approvingly) in my post two and a half years ago that you randomly brought up this morning.

I don't think his argument is different than mine. As I said two and a half years ago "(Bernie) seems to be suggesting that there's a relationship of some sort between this proliferation of choice in a segment of products he deems less important and the availability of food for young people. If he doesn't think they're related, why mention them together? Just let the planners plan, and everything will be sorted out, I suppose." The author ably points out that more choices and competition has led to the product being more affordable, not less, the opposite of what would happen if the government was allocating resources.

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Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Sep 26, 2017 13:32:20

thephan wrote:They might actually have the health care vote. It is to put people on the record for their stance. Crazy.



so that'll leave at least three votes on record for use in the midterms on Health care (if you don't count all of the silly ones in the vote-a-thon) Two in the senate and one in the house
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Postby slugsrbad » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:01:37

thephan wrote:They might actually have the health care vote. It is to put people on the record for their stance. Crazy.


Andy Slavitt (ran Medicare, Medicaid, and ACA under Obama) is hearing that the vote will be pulled, but it is not confirmed.
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Postby Youseff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:03:14

jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Gimpy wrote:I googled "Bernie Sanders deodorant" and got the story and an explanation if anyone's curious

http://www.demos.org/blog/5/27/15/berni ... ign-so-far

Right. I agree with the Washington Post guy.


interesting considering his argument is different than yours, and it requires a literal bi-directional relationship between the vibrancy of choice in the market and the health of our citizens. that's not the argument, and I don't see how you could fixate on that as the messaging. the main point is the same point that he always makes, which is there is a growing consolidation of wealth in this country, and despite GOP stooges beliefs, that is bad for a lot of Americans. Quarter over quarter growth for companies that are already doing well should not be the driving motivation for how our country is run. This is not hard to grasp, if he had led with, "NOW, I believe, that there arah too many deodorants!" then run with it.

I mean, it's the article - Sorry Bernie Sanders, Deodorant Isn't Starving America's Children - I linked to (approvingly) in my post two and a half years ago that you randomly brought up this morning.

I don't think his argument is different than mine. As I said two and a half years ago "(Bernie) seems to be suggesting that there's a relationship of some sort between this proliferation of choice in a segment of products he deems less important and the availability of food for young people. If he doesn't think they're related, why mention them together? Just let the planners plan, and everything will be sorted out, I suppose." The author ably points out that more choices and competition has led to the product being more affordable, not less, the opposite of what would happen if the government was allocating resources.


Gotta love the progressive impulse to restrict choice on everything other than abortion as a solution to problems.

your point was that he was trying to restrict choice, which is not true, and it's a laughably poor way to construe it. it's not how the WP construed it either. you're on a #pizzagate logic themed island with that one but do what ever feels right to you. dance your way to another point that's slightly less insane if you will, but your point is there for all to see. it was notable because the conflicting nature of the smugness & the denseness.
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Postby slugsrbad » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:04:03

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:
thephan wrote:They might actually have the health care vote. It is to put people on the record for their stance. Crazy.



so that'll leave at least three votes on record for use in the midterms on Health care (if you don't count all of the silly ones in the vote-a-thon) Two in the senate and one in the house


Republicans would have used the single-payer vote if any Democrat would have voted for it - it failed 0-57, with Manchin (WV), Heitkamp (ND), Donnelly (IN), Tester (MT), and King (ME) voting with the GOP.
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Postby Gimpy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:05:08

The first half of his quote:

"If 99 percent of all the new income goes to the top 1 percent, you could triple it, it wouldn't matter much to the average middle class person. The whole size of the economy and the GDP doesn't matter if people continue to work longer hours for low wages and you have 45 million people living in poverty."

The point, to me, seems to be that a couple of companies rolling out dozens of brands of the same product might spur "economic growth" and improve the GDP, but it's not actually having a positive impact on the poor and middle class.

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Postby Youseff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:05:28

but your love of unfettered capitalism at the expense of human suffering is well documented so I get that you also don't agree with his actual point. hope that polls well. do you.
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Postby pacino » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:11:59

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Postby Youseff » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:21:46

Gimpy wrote:The first half of his quote:

"If 99 percent of all the new income goes to the top 1 percent, you could triple it, it wouldn't matter much to the average middle class person. The whole size of the economy and the GDP doesn't matter if people continue to work longer hours for low wages and you have 45 million people living in poverty."

The point, to me, seems to be that a couple of companies rolling out dozens of brands of the same product might spur "economic growth" and improve the GDP, but it's not actually having a positive impact on the poor and middle class.


yeah, that's definitely it. I don't there's another way that you could honestly interpret it differently, especially since Sanders has been effectively making the same point for as long as I've been paying attention to him (10 years?).
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Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:22:58

“Everybody has said, it’s amazing the job we’ve done in Puerto Rico” — Trump

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Postby slugsrbad » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:28:48

Senator Cassidy has an addiction to lying. He has been disingenuous this whole time.
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Postby pacino » Tue Sep 26, 2017 14:29:25

the non-expansion states that are so severely hurting could...expand, Mr Cassidy
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Postby slugsrbad » Tue Sep 26, 2017 15:17:11

Woman can drive in Saudi Arabia now.
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