...PPP!!...Politics.Plus.Poll...What a relief!!!

If the 2020 Presidential election were tommorrow who would you vote for?

Trump
2
4%
Democratic Challenger no matter who
39
81%
Other
7
15%
 
Total votes : 48

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Postby pacino » Sun Sep 24, 2017 18:33:13

My guess is youseff wants to bring those soldiers home instead of sending them on yet another tour. I know I do.
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Postby smitty » Sun Sep 24, 2017 18:35:20

Great post swish. On the money.
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Postby pacino » Sun Sep 24, 2017 19:18:38

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Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Sun Sep 24, 2017 19:36:35

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Postby etched Chaos » Sun Sep 24, 2017 19:46:27

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Postby Youseff » Sun Sep 24, 2017 20:40:14

smitty wrote:
Youseff wrote:this worship of our military is a cultural phenomenon that is rooted in good intentions, but it's a bit ridiculous since much of our active military missions are amoral & murderous. props for having the courage to particpate in firefights, but it's hard for me to be proud of you for participating in our illegal war in Iraq.


Soldiers can't pick and choose where they are deployed. That's up to the President et al.

I went through the post Vietnam war disdain for SSAM. Thanking soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines is is a good thing to do In my view. Civilians make the decisions regarding what the military will do. The military always does its best to accomplish the mission.


ultimately my main problem is that we idolize the military in this country, and a lot of what our military does deserves criticism and scorn. all of this adulation and worship of people who as a collective have a very dark and destructive and often unnecessary history. we always use the phrase "fighting to protect our freedoms which we enjoy at home," which is such a hollow and dishonest statement. people should have respect for soldiers, not a deference, and there certainly should not be the constant pomp & circumstance & worship that we get now. I have other issues with the army & the people who join it but that's the main one.
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Postby Youseff » Sun Sep 24, 2017 21:00:35

not at all. I happen to thing our increasingly militarized society in all it's permutations is a bad thing, you disagree.
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Postby Soren » Sun Sep 24, 2017 21:48:43

1) Rah Rah Military! culture
2) Use Military to do horrendous things
a) not necessarily an indictment on the military, or the people their in, itself
3) This is bad
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Postby pacino » Sun Sep 24, 2017 22:02:51

As you normally do, graham-cassidy has been redone tonight in order to be voted on wednesday.

Perfectly normal process!

Trying to buy off some senators
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Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Sun Sep 24, 2017 22:05:31

Can't let the vote minimum get up. Vote for the party, not the people
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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sun Sep 24, 2017 23:29:41

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Postby Soren » Mon Sep 25, 2017 06:46:41

Still can't believe what came out of 45's gob this weekend
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Postby pacino » Mon Sep 25, 2017 06:49:28

you can't?
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Postby pacino » Mon Sep 25, 2017 06:49:51

big referendum in Iraq today; Kurds vote on independence!

lots of backlash already from it, the government in Baghdad is none too pleased.

Voting in the referendum is open to some 5.2 million Kurds and non-Kurds aged 18 or over who are registered as resident in Kurdish-controlled areas of northern Iraq.

The central government has demanded that all international airports and border crossings be returned to its control, and asked all countries to "deal only with it on matters of oil and borders".
The United Nations, United States and United Kingdom have also expressed concern over the potentially destabilising impact of the referendum.
The UN Security Council warned on Thursday that the vote could hamper the fight against so-called Islamic State (IS) in Iraq, in which Kurdish forces have played a critical role, and efforts to ensure the return of 3 million displaced Iraqis.
Neighbouring Turkey, which has a sizeable Kurdish minority pushing for autonomy, said on Monday that it would view the results of the referendum as "null and void". However, it kept open the Kurdish oil export pipeline that crosses its territory.
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Postby traderdave » Mon Sep 25, 2017 07:51:45

Youseff wrote:
smitty wrote:
Youseff wrote:this worship of our military is a cultural phenomenon that is rooted in good intentions, but it's a bit ridiculous since much of our active military missions are amoral & murderous. props for having the courage to particpate in firefights, but it's hard for me to be proud of you for participating in our illegal war in Iraq.


Soldiers can't pick and choose where they are deployed. That's up to the President et al.

I went through the post Vietnam war disdain for SSAM. Thanking soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines is is a good thing to do In my view. Civilians make the decisions regarding what the military will do. The military always does its best to accomplish the mission.


ultimately my main problem is that we idolize the military in this country, and a lot of what our military does deserves criticism and scorn. all of this adulation and worship of people who as a collective have a very dark and destructive and often unnecessary history. we always use the phrase "fighting to protect our freedoms which we enjoy at home," which is such a hollow and dishonest statement. people should have respect for soldiers, not a deference, and there certainly should not be the constant pomp & circumstance & worship that we get now. I have other issues with the army & the people who join it but that's the main one.


We can certainly agree to disagree but I believe your basic premise to be flat wrong. I don't think our military is idolized in the least; probably quite the opposite. We actually live in a country where some 20-year old nobody getting knocked up by some two-bit, gangster wannabe is national news; our military, in my view, is generally forgotten until they do something with which somebody disagrees. This country's "idols" are the Kardashians, sports figures and the next Bachelor. "Constant pomp & circumstance & worship"? Where is it that you live because I have never seen anything remotely resembling what you describe.

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Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon Sep 25, 2017 08:06:47

McCain's doctors have said his brain cancer prognosis is "very poor"
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Postby thephan » Mon Sep 25, 2017 08:07:47

pacino wrote:As you normally do, graham-cassidy has been redone tonight in order to be voted on wednesday.

Perfectly normal process!

Trying to buy off some senators


Pac, you really don't understand, it was just recognized over the weekend that Maine and Alaska were not getting a proportional amount of the reduced funds and that is because Obamacare, so it is a simple correction of an inequity. Now that slight by the democrats that has been corrected its time to vote.

FWIW - If the news has not trickled too far out yet, if this does not pass this time the ask from Johnson is that it be attached to the FY'2018 budget.
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Postby pacino » Mon Sep 25, 2017 08:10:21

fwiw, i think we've unmoored ourselves from the horrors of war and the waging of war too much as a country and a people. we have a professionalized military that is very good at what they are sent to do (war) but very bad at policing/keeping the peace because they're not designed for that. we've made it that it's too easy to send them around the globe and not feel the negatives or have any stake at home. Less than 2% of the populace is directly affected.

i get where everyone is coming from here, but i think youseff does have a point with the pomp. we celebrate without knowing what it actually means. everyday citizens aren't faced with aftermath, whether it be the shockwaves it sends through our rank and file's families, or the thousands upon thousands of lives we've upended worldwide.

I sincerely recommend the book Driftby Rachel Maddow. I read it a few years back and it's darn good. It's a look at the phenomenon i'm describing, where Vietnam AFFECTED people (it sounds like smitty can attest to this, for good and for ill) in every walk of life in our country, and Iraq/Afghanistan was simply a nightly update on the 6 o'clock news every three weeks or so. It's not fair to our soldiers, our citizens, and the rest of the world to treat war in such a cavalier manner. When we see the marketing arm of the military paying sports teams to push all the bright colors of military might it can get under one's skin; then to be told by multiple people that WE are the ones that are unpatriotic for asking why yet again do we need to go in or that we are unpatriotic because we respect someone's right to protest, one can get a bit reactionary and stiffen up in their response. i want less veterans to have to memorialize, and i think unraveling all the silly pomp from our football, from our cbs shows, from our nightly news, would be a wise first step.
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Postby thephan » Mon Sep 25, 2017 08:19:19

I have been surprised at some of the negative views of people more liberal then I around the NFL protests. It has been very "on message" with Trump. I look at these protests as certainly supported by the constitution, and the platform appropriate. What seems to come up is spoiled athletes, which surprises me as most athletes are not built on the front lawns of mansions, many come from fairly disproportional inequitable backgrounds, and the opportunity that they have on a Sunday to message is unparalleled. The spoiled athlete angle is that they are taking advantage of their situation. My counter point that these are the very opportunities that these representatives have to make a statement (Tuesday afternoon is not going to get it done) is just summarily dismissed.

What I thought of this morning is that going after a protest, and whipping up further fervor, is stealthfully an extension of a dictatorial assault on the first amendment.
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Postby pacino » Mon Sep 25, 2017 08:38:44

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump has signed a proclamation imposing strict new restrictions on travelers from a handful of countries, including five that were covered by his expiring travel ban. Administration officials say the new measures are required to keep the nation safe.

The indefinite restrictions apply to citizens of Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Yemen and North Korea. As part of the presidential proclamation signed Sunday, the U.S. will also bar the entry of certain Venezuelan government officials and their immediate families.


The announcement came the same day that Trump's temporary ban on visitors from six Muslim-majority countries was set to expire, 90 days after it went into effect. That ban had barred citizens of Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen who lacked a "credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States" from entering the U.S. Only one of those countries, Sudan, will no longer be subject to travel restrictions.
"Making America Safe is my number one priority. We will not admit those into our country we cannot safely vet," Trump tweeted late Sunday after the new policy was announced.
Unlike the first iteration of Trump's travel ban, which sparked chaos at airports across the country and a flurry of legal challenges after being hastily written with little input outside the White House, officials stressed they had been working for months on the new rules, in collaboration with various agencies and in conversation with foreign governments.
To limit confusion, valid visas would not be revoked as a result of the proclamation. The order also permits, but does not guarantee, case-by-case waivers for citizens of the affected countries.
The restrictions are targeted at countries that the Department of Homeland Security says fail to share sufficient information with the U.S. or haven't taken necessary security precautions.
DHS has spent recent months working to develop a new security baseline, which includes factors such as whether countries issue electronic passports with biometric information, report lost or stolen passports to INTERPOL, an international law enforcement body, and share information about travelers' terror-related and criminal histories.
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