Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby JUburton » Sat Mar 04, 2017 13:24:47

Unless there's audio of trump himself talking to a Russian about hacking hillary don't expect anything until 2018 and only if the dems take the house.

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby swishnicholson » Sat Mar 04, 2017 14:31:17

I have to respect the fact that while others would have coasted through the weekend after their address to Congress was received as not half bad, Trump decided to double down on the crazy.
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby drsmooth » Sat Mar 04, 2017 14:37:51

will there ever have been an assistant AG confirmation hearing as scrutinized as the one coming on Tuesday for Rod Rosenstein?
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Mar 04, 2017 14:46:07

The Savior wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
The Savior wrote:"I have to get these tax cuts done. The rich have struggled for way too long."

Tax cuts that don't help the middle class (fun fact: my tax rate won't change as it currently stands). This is what ironic republicans sold their souls for. A speaker who doesn't seem capable of leading and tax breaks that won't impact them.

If they pass tax reform, all tax rates are going to change, and likely the standard deduction will get bigger. I'm not sure how you've arrived at the conclusion that your tax rate won't change as it currently stands.


the last tax information passed around my company had my tax rate the same today as tomorrow. and making the standard deduction greater doesn't really do much unless it's substantially higher than my current deduction.

so again, all fluff. no substance.

As far as I know there is nothing new. Trump doesn't have a tax plan, so in that respect he is all fluff and no substance.

The House GOP plan from the Better Way platform from last year is the only thing that resembles a plan on paper I think, and it's a pretty substantive overhaul of the tax system. You might end up paying the same % of your last dollar of taxable income, but you'll be paying different rates in the lower brackets, and the deductions will be significantly different. And you might end up having the same effective tax rate, I guess, but you'd be taking a different route to get there.

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby Rockinghorse » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:02:44

I watched the stream of a local rep (not mine) town hall today, Michael Burgess whose district is about 20 miles northwest of Dallas. It took two hours of people railing on him before a "friendly" question to come up. Credit to Burgess for holding the meeting and letting it run 30 minutes over the scheduled time.

He took some harsh blows but I don't think he'll be ridiculed like the Utah and Arkansas guys last week. Still, it's striking to live in Texas and see well over a thousand people turn out to attack a Republican rep.

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby The Savior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:05:23

So all fluff

And incredible that the republicans have no plan after taking about a plan. Blind leading the blind.

This is why trump stays. He provides cover and signs whatever the republicans get to stick against the wall.
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby The Savior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:06:31

Rockinghorse wrote:I watched the stream of a local rep (not mine) town hall today, Michael Burgess whose district is about 20 miles northwest of Dallas. It took two hours of people railing on him before a "friendly" question to come up. Credit to Burgess for holding the meeting and letting it run 30 minutes over the scheduled time.

He took some harsh blows but I don't think he'll be ridiculed like the Utah and Arkansas guys last week. Still, it's striking to live in Texas and see well over a thousand people turn out to attack a Republican rep.


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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby drsmooth » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:14:32

Rockinghorse wrote:I watched the stream of a local rep (not mine) town hall today, Michael Burgess whose district is about 20 miles northwest of Dallas. It took two hours of people railing on him before a "friendly" question to come up. Credit to Burgess for holding the meeting and letting it run 30 minutes over the scheduled time.

He took some harsh blows but I don't think he'll be ridiculed like the Utah and Arkansas guys last week. Still, it's striking to live in Texas and see well over a thousand people turn out to attack a Republican rep.



Burgess is a funny little guy, but does appear to have some semblance of integrity, and doesn't always speak in robotic slogans
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby Monkeyboy » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:23:29

It's amazing how much a little decency and empathy can calm people down. Just by listening, he'll be much better perceived than those who called people paid protestors and the like. The GOp has really lost it's ability or interest in empathy. It's really one of their base traits.
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:52:58

The Savior wrote:So all fluff

And incredible that the republicans have no plan after taking about a plan. Blind leading the blind.

This is why trump stays. He provides cover and signs whatever the republicans get to stick against the wall.

The House GOP has a plan. The one they talked about. And though you may disagree with its contents, it's not all fluff. Other Republicans have other ideas. Some members of the Senate don't like the Border Adjustment Tax. Individual senators have their own plans. They are going to have to iron out any differences before "Republicans" have a plan. Getting a congressional party on board when you can only afford a few defections on major legislation is hard. You would know this if you had started following politics before last week.

You have it just about backwards on Trump. First, he stays because he's the duly elected President of the United States. Second, he is not providing any cover. He offers only distraction and discord. He personally hasn't gotten involved, and his staff is reportedly divided on what the composition of tax reform should be. If the dysfunction continues there will be no signing of anything because nothing is going to pass.

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Mar 04, 2017 15:57:23

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby The Savior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 16:06:19

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Savior wrote:So all fluff

And incredible that the republicans have no plan after taking about a plan. Blind leading the blind.

This is why trump stays. He provides cover and signs whatever the republicans get to stick against the wall.

The House GOP has a plan. The one they talked about. And though you may disagree with its contents, it's not all fluff. Other Republicans have other ideas. Some members of the Senate don't like the Border Adjustment Tax. Individual senators have their own plans. They are going to have to iron out any differences before "Republicans" have a plan. Getting a congressional party on board when you can only afford a few defections on major legislation is hard. You would know this if you had started following politics before last week.

You have it just about backwards on Trump. First, he stays because he's the duly elected President of the United States. Second, he is not providing any cover. He offers only distraction and discord. He personally hasn't gotten involved, and his staff is reportedly divided on what the composition of tax reform should be. If the dysfunction continues there will be no signing of anything because nothing is going to pass.


it's fluff for the middle class. changing the standard deduction makes the tax filing process EASIER and LESS COMPLEX; it doesn't make me wealthy (and doesn't put my ETR anywhere near those in brackets above me). this tax plan doesn't solve the growing inequity between the richest of the rich and the middle class. when the lights went out on the economy in 2008, the middle class couldn't afford to invest at the low point and ride it out. the rich, however, could and did. to fantastic gains. and likely paid an ETR of less than 10% (probably 0% in many cases as losses from 2008 were carried forward). this tax plan doesn't solve any of that; it's most trickle down economics. newsflash - trickle down economics isn't working now. and giving more to the rich won't fix it prospectively.

i care about this way more than i ever thought i would.

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby The Savior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 16:10:49

let's not forget that the same people all of these trump folks interacted with are the same ones that interfered in our election and has recently corrupted a vermont power utility, the latter being equally concerning.

russia has proven its willingness to corrupt elections (Georgia) and an ability to shutdown a country's power grid (Ukraine), the latter, which occurred in the winter, likely resulted in people dying.
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby Werthless » Sat Mar 04, 2017 16:54:37

Trump never had substantive plans to help the poor or middle class economically. His comments about economic policy, thin and undeveloped, were a Rorschach test. People interpreted them in many ways.

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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Mar 04, 2017 16:58:32

Werthless wrote:Trump never had substantive plans to help the poor or middle class economically. His comments about economic policy, thin and undeveloped, were a Rorschach test. People interpreted them in many ways.

There's protectionism and a return to an activist industrial policy which doesn't really help but many trump voters think it does.
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby pacino » Sat Mar 04, 2017 19:03:59

Muslim ban 2.0 to be unveiled Monday
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby drsmooth » Sat Mar 04, 2017 19:28:20

pacino wrote:Muslim ban 2.0 to be unveiled Monday


that's the new schedule, anyway
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby thephan » Sat Mar 04, 2017 23:17:34

Donnie is getting in a couple of rounds at Marlago this weekend. It's been a while, so he needed to enhance his future earning from the landmark to be crowned Whitehouse south.
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby The Savior » Sat Mar 04, 2017 23:49:57

Liars gon lie
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Re: Russian 2 Judgment: Politics Thread (Special Sessions)

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sun Mar 05, 2017 01:31:38

Werthless wrote:Trump never had substantive plans to help the poor or middle class economically. His comments about economic policy, thin and undeveloped, were a Rorschach test. People interpreted them in many ways.


I thought president Bannon was a populist
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