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Postby JUburton » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:14:14


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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:17:28

from the piece:
One idea under discussion is to scale back the amount of money that expansion states get over time. Indeed, one conservative bloc in Congress wants to cut expansion altogether as part of Obamacare repeal. But governors of those states are warning Congress that millions of people could be dropped from the rolls if the feds cut their funding. Because Republicans, including President Donald Trump, have promised that no one will lose their insurance under an Obamacare repeal, the GOP has few options beyond spending more.

By capping Medicaid and reducing the federal rules for states, “you could end up with 19 more states involved in Medicaid expansion,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). “So the tab could actually be much higher than it is right now.”

“Here’s why they have to look out for the governors who [didn't expand]: If they’re not rapidly taking money away from the states that got it, you’re creating intraparty rivalry and tensions,” added Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Republicans want to end Medicaid as an entitlement where there's no limit on what the federal government spends. They would cap how much to reimburse states per enrollee in an Obamacare repeal-replace plan. Important details have yet to be worked out, including how much to pare back federal spending.

they're going to cut cut cut. All the ideas floated out there are essentially a cut into Medicaid reimbursements on a state level. Most states will NOT raise taxes to try to make up this funding; they will seek new waivers to fiddle around with crappier coverage, premiums, lowering the income tests again, etc.

i'm just very pissed about all this. i don't mean to dump on anyone.
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Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:25:33

pacino wrote:from the piece:
One idea under discussion is to scale back the amount of money that expansion states get over time. Indeed, one conservative bloc in Congress wants to cut expansion altogether as part of Obamacare repeal. But governors of those states are warning Congress that millions of people could be dropped from the rolls if the feds cut their funding. Because Republicans, including President Donald Trump, have promised that no one will lose their insurance under an Obamacare repeal, the GOP has few options beyond spending more.

By capping Medicaid and reducing the federal rules for states, “you could end up with 19 more states involved in Medicaid expansion,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). “So the tab could actually be much higher than it is right now.”

“Here’s why they have to look out for the governors who [didn't expand]: If they’re not rapidly taking money away from the states that got it, you’re creating intraparty rivalry and tensions,” added Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Republicans want to end Medicaid as an entitlement where there's no limit on what the federal government spends. They would cap how much to reimburse states per enrollee in an Obamacare repeal-replace plan. Important details have yet to be worked out, including how much to pare back federal spending.

they're going to cut cut cut. All the ideas floated out there are essentially a cut into Medicaid reimbursements on a state level. Most states will NOT raise taxes to try to make up this funding; they will seek new waivers to fiddle around with crappier coverage, premiums, lowering the income tests again, etc.

i'm just very pissed about all this. i don't mean to dump on anyone.

You assume that they are going to be able to reach an agreement on this within the next two years that won't get filibustered in the Senate. They've had seven years to figure this out and still can't. The holdout state governments were stunned to realize that their decision might've been short-sighted and carry unintended consequences.

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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:27:52

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
pacino wrote:from the piece:
One idea under discussion is to scale back the amount of money that expansion states get over time. Indeed, one conservative bloc in Congress wants to cut expansion altogether as part of Obamacare repeal. But governors of those states are warning Congress that millions of people could be dropped from the rolls if the feds cut their funding. Because Republicans, including President Donald Trump, have promised that no one will lose their insurance under an Obamacare repeal, the GOP has few options beyond spending more.

By capping Medicaid and reducing the federal rules for states, “you could end up with 19 more states involved in Medicaid expansion,” said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). “So the tab could actually be much higher than it is right now.”

“Here’s why they have to look out for the governors who [didn't expand]: If they’re not rapidly taking money away from the states that got it, you’re creating intraparty rivalry and tensions,” added Tom Miller, a health policy expert at the conservative American Enterprise Institute.

Republicans want to end Medicaid as an entitlement where there's no limit on what the federal government spends. They would cap how much to reimburse states per enrollee in an Obamacare repeal-replace plan. Important details have yet to be worked out, including how much to pare back federal spending.

they're going to cut cut cut. All the ideas floated out there are essentially a cut into Medicaid reimbursements on a state level. Most states will NOT raise taxes to try to make up this funding; they will seek new waivers to fiddle around with crappier coverage, premiums, lowering the income tests again, etc.

i'm just very pissed about all this. i don't mean to dump on anyone.

You assume that they are going to be able to reach an agreement on this within the next two years that won't get filibustered in the Senate. They've had seven years to figure this out and still can't. The holdout state governments were stunned to realize that their decision might've been short-sighted and carry unintended consequences.

I see a big opportunity for the Republicans in Congress to use this scandal in the WH against them and to push this stuff through. I hope they don't, so I hope you're right.
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:35:59

JUburton wrote:https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/831867064155504641

go cal go


ashton kutcher is one of the speakers. had no idea he had a foundation ivovled with this issue.

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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby thephan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:45:17

To expand on my thinking earlier:

Next piece: ‘Unbelievable Turmoil’: Trump’s First Month Leaves Washington Reeling

Trump Takeover of the Election: Crazy, fringy end of the GOP and the disaffected middle of the country rally around flipping all the bad Obama stuff that happened to them over the last 8 years. Result - a huge crack opens up between US citizens. The me's and you's, us's and thems, etc. Everyone takes a side and starts to defend it vigorously.

Into the Presidency: The push me pull you continues and is exasperated by the EO laving some cheer and other decry. The escalation continues with bombastic leaks now 'proving' that the losing side was right all along.

Folks, you're being played. The end result, chaos in the US with an advantage to anyone how wants the noise to do what they want to while we are bickering.
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:54:11

pacino wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
pacino wrote:OK, but they're going to do it at the expense of states who DID expand

Again, so what? Just because a poor person in upstate New York had the good fortune of living in a blue state, they deserve superior federal benefits to someone stuck in a red or purple state? Long-term cuts are obviously bad, but people need help, period.

they're not going to get help. this is simply going to cut the benefits of the person in NY.



issues like this will chew up goodwill among the right and the far right Rs (believe it or not there's still distance there) & make it even less likely they resolve on any replacement bill. The Freedom Caucus's "principled" stand alone will prevent passage of replacement legislation - and they haven't even started with their competing lists of grievances. Rs Congressmen will begin peeing their pants around January when nothing's been done, except maybe shit their constituents will lynch them for doing.

Also fuck blockhead Jon Cornyn. What a dope.
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:56:18

Also laffing hard at the Breitbartians proclaiming they'll have big attendance at pro-ACA-repeal rallies...in late March, at the earliest

As long as those fuckmonkeys get their Oxy, their fat, pasty asses will stay glued to the couch
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby JUburton » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:13:55

Perez claiming he has the votes necessary for DNC chair.

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Postby slugsrbad » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:15:25

JUburton wrote:Perez claiming he has the votes necessary for DNC chair.


Time to see how far we've come since the election.
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby JUburton » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:16:51

I think the anti-Perez sentiment is super knee jerky and I'll be a little annoyed if the ultra left gives a big backlash. Guy was a liberal labor secretary and a civil rights attorney. He's not hillary clinton (who also does have a good history of public service of course, but has the super establishment red flags).

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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:19:31

CalvinBall wrote:
JUburton wrote:https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/831867064155504641

go cal go


ashton kutcher is one of the speakers. had no idea he had a foundation ivovled with this issue.


this is sweet. they have talked a good bit already about the bill you guys helped pass!

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Postby JFLNYC » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:32:33

Trump will probably tweet that the real problem is not slavery but that somebody leaked its existence.
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Postby Soren » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:39:13

I really hope he dies.
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Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Feb 15, 2017 13:19:57

it's painful listening to him speak.

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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 15, 2017 13:41:18

Vice Admiral Robert Harward offered the NSA job
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Postby pacino » Wed Feb 15, 2017 13:53:49

if the Flynn stuff is all fake news, Flynn is great and was treated very very unfairly why was he fired?
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby td11 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 14:10:44

@mkraju
EXCLUSIVE: Top Senate Rs have urged the WH to withdraw Puzder nomination. There are 4 firm no votes and up to 12, source says. Next on CNN

Holy shit
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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Feb 15, 2017 14:12:39

td11 wrote:@mkraju
EXCLUSIVE: Top Senate Rs have urged the WH to withdraw Puzder nomination. There are 4 firm no votes and up to 12, source says. Next on CNN

Holy shit


the president has the right to pick his own cabinet

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Re: Pay wwry his money so we can discuss POLITICS thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Feb 15, 2017 14:13:03

WHY DO THESE SO-CALLED SENATORS THINK THAT THEY HAVE MORE POWER THAN THE PRESIDENT????

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