Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 09:50:37

In news of things I could actually see happening, some internet discussion of Rosie O'Donnell doing an SNL turn as Bannon
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 09:52:27

national security aides of the Trump administration asked for info into Polish incursions into Belarus territory

WOW that would be insane! Except it was simply Russian propaganda to try to turn the Belarus people against NATO and Europe. Wonder who asked for more info on this? and why?

oh yeah, we want to move our Israeli embassy to Jerusalem.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JUburton » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:09:39

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/worl ... d=tw-share

This is pretty great, mostly for how scared the hard line catholic conservatives are of Pope Francis and his absolute power over the Vatican. THE YOUNG (minded) POPE.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JUburton » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:10:17

drsmooth wrote:In news of things I could actually see happening, some internet discussion of Rosie O'Donnell doing an SNL turn as Bannon
he would have a hemorrhagic stroke and we'd all benefit.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:10:56

pacino wrote:We're going to go backwards, just like we voted:
HHS has already submitted a proposal of new rules to OMB. And while officials have not said publicly what’s in that proposal, industry consultants and lobbyists told The Huffington Post that HHS has been considering the following three changes, among others:

1. Insurers would have more leeway to vary prices by age, so that premiums for the oldest customers could be 3.49 times as large as those for younger customers. Today, premiums for the old can be only three times as high as premiums for the young, which is what the Affordable Care Act stipulates. According to sources privy to HHS discussions with insurers, officials would argue that since 3.49 “rounds down” to three, the change would still comply with the statute.

2. People who want to apply for coverage mid-year, outside of open enrollment, would have to provide documentation of a qualifying life change ― such as a divorce or lost job ― before coverage begins. Presently, insurance kicks in for such people right away, as soon as they apply for it, subject to verification afterward.

3. Insurers could cut off coverage for people who are more than 30 days late on premiums. Presently, lower- and middle-income consumers who qualify for the law’s tax credits get a 90-day grace period.

Making things tougher for people to obtain and keep insurance? Charging 40 and 50 somethings more?

#MAGA, BITCHES

1. Allowing insurers to price policies more in line with risk. Sounds fine.
2. Seems more than reasonable, and is how most corporate plans work. You can't wait until you're sick to get health insurance.
3. I don't have an argument for why 30/90/180 is better from a policy point of view. The main point is that the insurance should be affordable to everyone, subsidized according for income. Not sure about the recourse for folks that lose their job (ie. their income drops), but if they drop the grace period to 30, they need to have a plan for handling income changes.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:11:38


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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:19:15

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:We're going to go backwards, just like we voted:
HHS has already submitted a proposal of new rules to OMB. And while officials have not said publicly what’s in that proposal, industry consultants and lobbyists told The Huffington Post that HHS has been considering the following three changes, among others:

1. Insurers would have more leeway to vary prices by age, so that premiums for the oldest customers could be 3.49 times as large as those for younger customers. Today, premiums for the old can be only three times as high as premiums for the young, which is what the Affordable Care Act stipulates. According to sources privy to HHS discussions with insurers, officials would argue that since 3.49 “rounds down” to three, the change would still comply with the statute.

2. People who want to apply for coverage mid-year, outside of open enrollment, would have to provide documentation of a qualifying life change ― such as a divorce or lost job ― before coverage begins. Presently, insurance kicks in for such people right away, as soon as they apply for it, subject to verification afterward.

3. Insurers could cut off coverage for people who are more than 30 days late on premiums. Presently, lower- and middle-income consumers who qualify for the law’s tax credits get a 90-day grace period.

Making things tougher for people to obtain and keep insurance? Charging 40 and 50 somethings more?

#MAGA, BITCHES

1. Allowing insurers to price policies more in line with risk. Sounds fine.
2. Seems more than reasonable, and is how most corporate plans work. You can't wait until you're sick to get health insurance.
3. I don't have an argument for why 30/90/180 is better from a policy point of view. The main point is that the insurance should be affordable to everyone, subsidized according for income. Not sure about the recourse for folks that lose their job (ie. their income drops), but if they drop the grace period to 30, they need to have a plan for handling income changes.

i don't think any of these would be seen as positive changes by the people that voted for Trump. they hated the mandate and many of them want lower premiums, not higher. I do the #maga thing to point out when they've been conned by President Mr trump.

i also don't see this as great, but we differ philosophically on that. that's why two real parties with one not led by an insane man and both believing in facts would be great.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:25:46

Werthless wrote:I'll just leave this here:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump- ... 57935.html


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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby drsmooth » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:26:57

Werthless wrote:1. Allowing insurers to price policies more in line with risk. Sounds fine.


it's mickey mouse bullshit. repeal & replace with something "wonderful" or gtfo


2. Seems more than reasonable, and is how most corporate plans work. You can't wait until you're sick to get health insurance.


more mickey mouse bullshit.

3. I don't have an argument for why 30/90/180 is better from a policy point of view.


pro tip: neither do any republican "health policy experts".

becasuse this is just MORE mickey mouse bullshit. This is NOT "repeal & replace", this is embroidery that they'll try to call repeal & replace.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby TomatoPie » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:30:11

Woody wrote:What would it actually take for someone to start writing an impeachment bill


It's a Catch22. It has to be spearheaded by congressional republicans. Right now, they are feckless cowards. Of course they'd prefer Pence, but none will dare offend the base morons. They hope to get some judge-pickin' and tax-cuttin' and turrist-stoppin' out of Trump, and they are willing to expose the world to his infantile impulses for that.

Let's hope Kinkilinks can get that pee pee tape public soon.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:31:02

They'd probably burn it
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:31:17

drsmooth wrote:
Werthless wrote:1. Allowing insurers to price policies more in line with risk. Sounds fine.


it's mickey mouse bullshit. repeal & replace with something "wonderful" or gtfo


2. Seems more than reasonable, and is how most corporate plans work. You can't wait until you're sick to get health insurance.


more mickey mouse bullshit.

3. I don't have an argument for why 30/90/180 is better from a policy point of view.


pro tip: neither do any republican "health policy experts".

becasuse this is just MORE mickey mouse bullshit. This is NOT "repeal & replace", this is embroidery that they'll try to call repeal & replace.

Oh yeah, it's hilariously disconnected from repeal and replace. Agreed. But let's be honest, everything that the Trump administration does has the potential to be batshit crazy. This didnt seem so.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Brantt » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:38:09

In other news, Maxine Waters thinks Russia invaded Korea.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:41:56

She said Korea instead of Crimea; good thing she's not president. that'd just be silly.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:48:39

JUburton wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/world/europe/vatican-steve-bannon-pope-francis.html?smid=tw-share

This is pretty great, mostly for how scared the hard line catholic conservatives are of Pope Francis and his absolute power over the Vatican. THE YOUNG (minded) POPE.

this is a fascinating piece. As someone that has a Jesuit education I am very happy with Pope Francis (outside of abortion and trans issues, but it'll be a long, long time until things modernize with the church there). And of course Bannon would love Cardinal Burke.

João Braz de Aviz, a powerful cardinal close to the pope, walked around in simple cleric clothes, the equivalent of civilian dress among all the flowing cassocks. Asked whether the ascent of Mr. Trump would embolden Mr. Bannon’s allies in the Vatican to intensify their opposition and force the pope to take a more orthodox line, he shrugged.

“The doctrine is secure,” he said, adding that the mission of the church was more to safeguard the poor. It was also, he reminded his traditionalist colleagues, to serve St. Peter, whose authority is passed down through the popes. “And today, Francis is Peter.”
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:50:28

Brantt wrote:In other news, Maxine Waters thinks Russia invaded Korea.


In other news, Trump's administration said Orlando, Paris, and San Bernandino were underreported. One of these people misspoke, the other is President.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Werthless » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:59:17

Brantt wrote:In other news, Maxine Waters thinks Russia invaded Korea.

Your verb choice was poor. You don't know whether she actually thinks that; you know she said that. As a supporter of the Trump administration, I think you'd understand the difference! :)

The less time you think about Maxine Waters, the happier you'll be. She crazy.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:05:42

pacino wrote:She said Korea instead of Crimea; good thing she's not president. that'd just be silly.


Russia did invade Korea but the dishonest media didn't cover it. They have their reasons and you understand that.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:07:50

FFS, on CNN Today, Sean Duffy (R-Wisc) was waffling on the differences between white supremacy and radical Islam, and why only one is getting scrutiny in this administration. When Charleston was brought up, he said "Look at the good things that came from it! Nikki Haley took down the Confederate flag - that was great!"
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:08:46

Sean Duffy was on Road Rules
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